Materialism can never explain consciousness or perception properly, because:

2013-05-04 Thread Roger Clough
Materialism can never explain consciousness or perception properly, because: Nothing physical (nothing in spacetime, such as in many theories of consciousness or perception) can be conscious, because mind is not physical, it is is outside of spacetime. Consciousness is subjective (as any

Re: Numbers

2013-05-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 May 2013, at 17:09, John Mikes wrote: Never argue with a logician! I try to insert some re-remarks into ''-induced lines below John On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 5:52 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 02 May 2013, at 18:03, John Mikes wrote: Bruno asked: are you OK with this?

Re: In the beginning was the cosmic mind (which I call God) , who had a thought, which is the universe.

2013-05-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 30 Apr 2013, at 19:35, lenna...@bredband.net wrote: Religion is a parasite on spirituality. And a dangerous one! It depends what you mean by religion. If you mean institutionalized theology, you are right. That kind of religion is what you get when you throw out theology from academy,

Re: Materialism can never explain consciousness or perception properly, because:

2013-05-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 May 2013, at 13:16, Roger Clough wrote: Materialism can never explain consciousness or perception properly, because: Nothing physical (nothing in spacetime, such as in many theories of consciousness or perception) can be conscious, because mind is not physical, it is is outside of

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-05-04 Thread John Clark
On Thu, May 2, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Things like Hebbian learning and artificial models of neurons have explanatory power Yes but Donald Hebb didn't just say it happens because of emergence, he explained exactly how these higher level laws worked. if you just

Re: Numbers

2013-05-04 Thread John Mikes
Bruno, I apologize for taking so much time from you to reply. And thanks for the highly entertaining reading how your mind (to which mine is no knowledgeable match) rebuffs. One question if you still can take one: *JM: I would leave out mind, matter, consciousness* *Br: Well, that is what I

Re: Materialism can never explain consciousness or perception properly, because:

2013-05-04 Thread John Clark
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Materialism can never explain consciousness or perception properly, because: Neither materialism nor non-materialism can explain consciousness if it's fundamental because being fundamental means explanations come to a end.

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-05-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 5:43 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 2, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Things like Hebbian learning and artificial models of neurons have explanatory power Yes but Donald Hebb didn't just say it happens because of emergence,