Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-23 Thread LizR
Mermin doesn't start too promisingly... My complete answer to the late 19th century question “what is electrodynamics trying to tell us” would simply be this: *Fields in empty space have physical reality; the medium that supports them does not. * Having thus removed the mystery from

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-23 Thread LizR
On the plus side, this only correlations idea reminds me of the idea that fundamental particles don't actually exist but are really only the binding energy holding them together... :-) On 23 April 2014 20:48, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Mermin doesn't start too promisingly... My complete

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Liz, The billions make sense to me, to be honest. Even before the earth, we still didn't exist. It sounds like poetic liberty for a mind blowing amount of time. Cheers Telmo. On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 4:23 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I was just a bit surprised at his use of billions

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:03 AM, Pierz pier...@gmail.com wrote: Just came across this presentation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEaecUuEqfc It's a bit long, but I'd be interested to hear anyone's thoughts who is knowledgeable on QM. I don't follow the maths, but I kind of got the gist.

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-23 Thread LizR
On 23 April 2014 22:29, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Hi Liz, The billions make sense to me, to be honest. Even before the earth, we still didn't exist. It sounds like poetic liberty for a mind blowing amount of time. Sure, but I think at the time millions of years was a

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-23 Thread LizR
Oh, and to really stick my neck out, I think the phrase billions and billions became a cliché through Carl Sagan using it in the TV programme Cosmos so I suspect (but have zero proof) that this quote is attributed to Sam Clemens but is in fact either made up or misquoted. My theory is that someone

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-23 Thread LizR
Actually Sagan may not have used the phrase billions and billions but it (too?) may have been a misquote that came to be associated with him (like play it again, Sam and beam me up, Scotty!) On 23 April 2014 23:16, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, and to really stick my neck out, I think the

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 1:16 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, and to really stick my neck out, I think the phrase billions and billions became a cliché through Carl Sagan using it in the TV programme Cosmos so I suspect (but have zero proof) that this quote is attributed to Sam Clemens

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 1:19 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Actually Sagan may not have used the phrase billions and billions but it (too?) may have been a misquote that came to be associated with him (like play it again, Sam and beam me up, Scotty!) Oops, sorry for stepping on your toes

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-23 Thread Pierz
On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:12:53 PM UTC+10, Brent wrote: On 4/22/2014 4:54 AM, Pierz wrote: Thanks Brent. I read Mermin and am both wiser and none-the. It seems to me in this paper he is chickening out by saying that QM shouldn't really think about the conscious observer,

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-23 Thread Pierz
On Wednesday, April 23, 2014 6:48:09 PM UTC+10, Liz R wrote: Mermin doesn't start too promisingly... My complete answer to the late 19th century question “what is electrodynamics trying to tell us” would simply be this: *Fields in empty space have physical reality; the medium that

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-23 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:08 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 April 2014 22:29, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Hi Liz, The billions make sense to me, to be honest. Even before the earth, we still didn't exist. It sounds like poetic liberty for a mind blowing amount of

Re: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate.

2014-04-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Apr 2014, at 05:27, 'Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List wrote: At some level, there is only that, which is personally experienced... each has to know God on their own, by their own way, in their own heart. No one can - beyond, perhaps pointing out the

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Apr 2014, at 13:33, Pierz wrote: On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:12:53 PM UTC+10, Brent wrote: On 4/22/2014 4:54 AM, Pierz wrote: Thanks Brent. I read Mermin and am both wiser and none-the. It seems to me in this paper he is chickening out by saying that QM shouldn't really think

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-23 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 6:10 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 23 Apr 2014, at 13:33, Pierz wrote: On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:12:53 PM UTC+10, Brent wrote: On 4/22/2014 4:54 AM, Pierz wrote: Thanks Brent. I read Mermin and am both wiser and none-the. It seems to me in

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Apr 2014, at 13:08, LizR wrote: On 23 April 2014 22:29, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Hi Liz, The billions make sense to me, to be honest. Even before the earth, we still didn't exist. It sounds like poetic liberty for a mind blowing amount of time. Sure, but I think

RE: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-23 Thread 'Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 9:26 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM On 23 Apr 2014, at 13:08, LizR wrote: On 23

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Apr 2014, at 13:56, Pierz wrote: On Wednesday, April 23, 2014 6:48:09 PM UTC+10, Liz R wrote: Mermin doesn't start too promisingly... My complete answer to the late 19th century question what is electrodynamics trying to tell us would simply be this: Fields in empty space have

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Apr 2014, at 14:42, Jesse Mazer and Liz wrote: snip Annihilation has no terrors for me, because I have already tried it before I was born--a hundred million years--and I have suffered more in an hour, in this life, than I remember to have suffered in the whole hundred million

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Apr 2014, at 14:42, Jesse Mazer wrote: On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:08 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 April 2014 22:29, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Hi Liz, The billions make sense to me, to be honest. Even before the earth, we still didn't exist. It sounds like

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Apr 2014, at 18:29, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 6:10 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 23 Apr 2014, at 13:33, Pierz wrote: On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:12:53 PM UTC+10, Brent wrote: On 4/22/2014 4:54 AM, Pierz wrote: Thanks Brent. I

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-23 Thread David Nyman
On 23 April 2014 17:25, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Samuel Clemens? Was is not Mark Twain? I missed a post perhaps. Same guy, different name. David -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-23 Thread meekerdb
On 4/23/2014 3:29 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Liz, The billions make sense to me, to be honest. Even before the earth, we still didn't exist. It sounds like poetic liberty for a mind blowing amount of time. Cheers Telmo. It makes sense, but millions makes sense too and I think Liz is right

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-23 Thread meekerdb
On 4/23/2014 4:23 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 1:19 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com mailto:lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Actually Sagan may not have used the phrase billions and billions but it (too?) may have been a misquote that came to be associated with him (like play

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Apr 2014, at 18:49, 'Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List wrote: From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 9:26 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-23 Thread meekerdb
On 4/23/2014 4:33 AM, Pierz wrote: On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:12:53 PM UTC+10, Brent wrote: On 4/22/2014 4:54 AM, Pierz wrote: Thanks Brent. I read Mermin and am both wiser and none-the. It seems to me in this paper he is chickening out by saying that QM shouldn't really

Re: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate.

2014-04-23 Thread spudboy...@aol.com via Everything List
Yes, in a sense. The Chinese do the virtuous because the must, because their cities are choking. Along with looking out strictly for themselves, by installing better tech, the AGW carbon cycle can ease, although there is much more to do, its still a step. And, no gestapo governments needed to

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-23 Thread meekerdb
On 4/23/2014 9:49 AM, 'Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List wrote: Do someone know the estimate of the age of the universe at the time of Mark Twain? Einstein though it was infinite, and I thought that many physicists (including believer in Big Bang(s)) don't exclude

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-23 Thread meekerdb
On 4/23/2014 11:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: == Annihilation has no terrors for me, because I have already tried it before I was born--a hundred million years--and I have suffered more in an hour, in this life, than I remember to have suffered in the whole

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-23 Thread LizR
On 24 April 2014 00:42, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:08 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 April 2014 22:29, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Hi Liz, The billions make sense to me, to be honest. Even before the earth, we still didn't

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-23 Thread LizR
On 24 April 2014 04:25, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Samuel Clemens? Was is not Mark Twain? I missed a post perhaps. Oops. They are the same person (Twain was Clemens' pseudonym). I thought it was common knowledge, perhaps because I read the Riverworld series by Philip Jose Farmer.

Re: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate.

2014-04-23 Thread LizR
On 24 April 2014 08:52, spudboy...@aol.com via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Yes, in a sense. The Chinese do the virtuous because the must, because their cities are choking. Along with looking out strictly for themselves, by installing better tech, the AGW carbon

RE: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-23 Thread 'Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 2:09 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM On 4/23/2014 9:49 AM, 'Chris de Morsella

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-23 Thread LizR
The Time Machine gives an instight into what the educated person of the time thought. The time traveller first visits the year 800,000 or thereabouts, when various features of the present day are still in evidence (e.g. humans, evolved into Eloi and Morlocks), then journeys to a point where the

Re: Films I think people on this forum might like

2014-04-23 Thread LizR
I also recommend the short story Tonight the sky will fall by Daniel F Galouye (in the collection Space Opera edited by Brian Aldiss) On 9 February 2014 13:47, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure if that's a recommendation or just a chance to let off steam but anyway - thanks, I will try