Re: Is math real?

2017-08-31 Thread Brent Meeker
On 8/31/2017 2:20 AM, David Nyman wrote: On 29 Aug 2017 04:39, "Brent Meeker" > wrote: On 8/28/2017 10:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Aug 2017, at 02:44, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/27/2017 10:50 AM, David Nyman wrote:

Re: A profound lack of profundity (and soon "the starting point")

2017-08-31 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: ​> ​ > Let's dumb it down and forget about prediction and rationality for the > moment. Let's say instead of making two copies, we're just dealing with a > teleporter that destroys you in Helsinki and duplicates you

Re: A profound lack of profundity (and soon "the starting point")

2017-08-31 Thread David Nyman
On 31 Aug 2017 18:52, "Terren Suydam" wrote: On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 7:19 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 Terren Suydam wrote: > > >> ​> ​>> ​ ​ All that's necessary is to imagine or simulate

Re: A profound lack of profundity (and soon "the starting point")

2017-08-31 Thread Terren Suydam
On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 7:19 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 Terren Suydam wrote: > > >> ​> ​>> ​ ​ All that's necessary is to imagine or simulate the first person perspective of the one who gets duplicated.

Re: A profound lack of profundity (and soon "the starting point")

2017-08-31 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 4:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​ >> ​>> ​ >> *"What one and only one city will YOU see after YOU have been duplicated >> and become two?"* > > > ​> ​ > That question is gibberish, because it lacks the key precision needed. > ​BULLSHIT! Stripped of its

Re: A profound lack of profundity (and soon "the starting point")

2017-08-31 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:33 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​ >> ​>> ​ >> If he's about to enter the machine but hasn't yet done so then you're >> simulating the Helsinki man. The simulation shows that IF the Helsinki man >> is rational (and he might not be especially on matters

Re: Is math real?

2017-08-31 Thread David Nyman
On 29 Aug 2017 04:39, "Brent Meeker" wrote: On 8/28/2017 10:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Aug 2017, at 02:44, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/27/2017 10:50 AM, David Nyman wrote: On 25 August 2017 at 21:51, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 8/25/2017

Re: A profound lack of profundity (and soon "the starting point")

2017-08-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 30 Aug 2017, at 17:23, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 5:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​>> ​The ​thought experiment ​asks the question ​"what one and only one city will YOU see after YOU have been duplicated and become two?", so of course the meaning of

Re: A profound lack of profundity (and soon "the starting point")

2017-08-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 31 Aug 2017, at 01:19, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 Terren Suydam wrote: ​>​>> ​ ​All that's necessary is to imagine or simulate the first person perspective of the one who gets duplicated. ​​>> ​Which ​ONE ​"THE​ first person perspective​" is