On 31 Aug 2017, at 01:19, John Clark wrote:

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017  Terren Suydam <[email protected]> wrote:

​>​>> ​ ​All that's necessary is to imagine or simulate the first person perspective of the one who gets duplicated.

​​>> ​Which ​ONE ​"THE​ first person perspective​" is ​Terren Suydam​ referring to ​ ​"THE​ first person perspective​" in Moscow or ​"THE​ first person perspective​" in Washington or​ ​"THE​ first person perspective​" in Helsinki?

​> ​The one about to enter the duplication machine. What happens when you simulate that person's first-person experience?

​If he's about to enter the machine but hasn't yet done so then you're simulating the Helsinki man. The simulation shows that IF the Helsinki man is rational (and he might not be especially on matters like this, in fact most people aren't as this list proves)

Lies. Only you have a problem with this. Note that you repeat a question by (again) throwing out the precision needed.



then the Helsinki man expects that very soon TWO people will remember being the Helsinki man

In the third person description. But that is not the question asked.


but neither of them will be in Helsinki.

Both of them will be the Helsinki person, by the definition of personal identity we have agree on. And both will confirm that they have obtained one bit of information.



What else do you want to know, what else is there to predict? ​ ​

Where you will find yourself after pushing on the button. If you are OK with P(coffee) = 1, you have to accept P(seeing one city) = 1, and you cannot write in your diary which one. So W v M is the best expectation, and for reason of numerical identity: P(W) = P(M) = 1/2.

Bruno




John K Clark​





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