On Sat, 2 Sep 2023 at 06:20, Jesse Mazer wrote:
> I also think superdeterminism is "local" only on a technicality. If one is
> looking at the general class of superdeterminist theories rather than just
> the specific subset designed to reproduce quantum mechanical statistics,
> one could easily c
I also think superdeterminism is "local" only on a technicality. If one is
looking at the general class of superdeterminist theories rather than just
the specific subset designed to reproduce quantum mechanical statistics,
one could easily come up with a superdeterminist theory that allowed for
app
On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 2:50 PM Jason Resch wrote:
*> I agree with John. What makes superdeterminism weird isn't the
> determinism part. It's that the system is also rigged against us to produce
> the Bell inequality.*
>
Yes.
*> I am not sure if you saw my recent example on extropy-chat with fli
On Sat, 2 Sep 2023 at 05:00, John Clark wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 2:47 PM Stathis Papaioannou
> wrote:
>
> >> No. Knowing the laws of physics is not enough, to make predictions you
>>> also need to know the initial conditions. Superdeterminism says more than a
>>> given state of the un
On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 2:47 PM Stathis Papaioannou
wrote:
>> No. Knowing the laws of physics is not enough, to make predictions you
>> also need to know the initial conditions. Superdeterminism says more than a
>> given state of the universe is the mathematical product of the previous
>> state, s
I agree with John. What makes superdeterminism weird isn't the determinism
part. It's that the system is also rigged against us to produce the Bell
inequality.
I am not sure if you saw my recent example on extropy-chat with flipping
coins and always seeing heads 66% of the time, no matter what we
On Sat, 2 Sep 2023 at 04:20, John Clark wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 1:22 PM Stathis Papaioannou
> wrote:
>
> >> according to superdeterminism the particular initial condition the
>>> universe was in 13.8 billion years ago has determined if you think
>>> superdeterminism is a reasonable theo
On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 1:22 PM Stathis Papaioannou
wrote:
>> according to superdeterminism the particular initial condition the
>> universe was in 13.8 billion years ago has determined if you think
>> superdeterminism is a reasonable theory or if you think it's complete
>> bullshit. As for me I
On Sat, 2 Sep 2023 at 00:03, John Clark wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 9:54 AM Jason Resch wrote:
>
> *> But did (or could) superdeterminism choose the digits of Pi?*
>
>
> According to superdeterminism, yes. And according to superdeterminism the
> particular initial condition the universe was
On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 9:54 AM Jason Resch wrote:
*> But did (or could) superdeterminism choose the digits of Pi?*
According to superdeterminism, yes. And according to superdeterminism the
particular initial condition the universe was in 13.8 billion years ago has
determined if you think superd
On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 8:52 AM John Clark wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 9:38 AM Jason Resch wrote:
>
>
>
>> >> 128 bits would probably be enough information to program a Turing
>>> Machine to calculate the infinite series 4(1-1/3 +1/5 -1/7 +...) and
>>> that would produce an infinite strin
On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 9:38 AM Jason Resch wrote:
> >> 128 bits would probably be enough information to program a Turing
>> Machine to calculate the infinite series 4(1-1/3 +1/5 -1/7 +...) and
>> that would produce an infinite string of digits that never repeats and
>> looks completely random,
On Fri, Sep 1, 2023, 9:16 AM John Clark wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 8:41 AM Jason Resch wrote:
>
> *> I think it may be possible actually, to use a mathematical argument to
>> disprove superdeterminism*
>>
>
> I'm not sure a mathematical proof that superdeterminism is not true is
> even nece
On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 8:41 AM Jason Resch wrote:
*> I think it may be possible actually, to use a mathematical argument to
> disprove superdeterminism*
>
I'm not sure a mathematical proof that superdeterminism is not true is even
necessary because a greater violation of Occam's Razor is quite l
I think it may be possible actually, to use a mathematical argument to
disprove superdeterminism, in a manner similar to how Bell disproved
theories that are local, real, and counterfactually definite.
The method would show that there is a necessary underdetermination that can
happen, when a small
On Thu, Aug 31, 2023 at 6:29 PM Bruce Kellett wrote:
*> OK. So spell out your non-realist, but local, many worlds account of the
> violations of the Bell inequalities. It seems that you want it both ways --
> Bell's theorem says that MWI must be non-local, but you claim that it is
> local? "Reali
16 matches
Mail list logo
