Re: Could we live forever?

2015-09-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 Sep 2015, at 00:09, Brent Meeker wrote: On 9/16/2015 10:27 AM, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 Brent Meeker wrote: ​ > ​ Without a built-in biological life span, people may become extremely timid and risk averse. ​ If you knew you were immortal why

Re: Could we live forever?

2015-09-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 Sep 2015, at 00:09, Brent Meeker wrote: On 9/16/2015 10:27 AM, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 Brent Meeker wrote: ​ > ​ Without a built-in biological life span, people may become extremely timid and risk averse. ​ If you knew you were immortal why

Re: Could we live forever?

2015-09-21 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
kcl...@gmail.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sun, Sep 20, 2015 6:59 pm Subject: Re: Could we live forever? On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: ​ ​>> ​

Re: Could we live forever?

2015-09-20 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 Bruno Marchal wrote: ​ >> ​>> ​ >> You need to know how generic atoms should be placed in relation to other >> ​generic atoms. > > ​> ​ > That is a low level, > ​Yes a very low level, probably much lower than necessary; the molecular level would be more

Re: Could we live forever?

2015-09-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 Sep 2015, at 19:41, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 Bruno Marchal wrote: ​> ​You need an infinitely expanding brain to live an eternity, if not, you will cycle. ​To prevent cycling a mind wouldn't need to be infinite just unlimited, whenever you start

Re: Could we live forever?

2015-09-19 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 Bruno Marchal wrote: ​> ​ > You need an infinitely expanding brain to live an eternity, if not, you > will cycle. > ​To prevent cycling a mind wouldn't need to be infinite just unlimited, whenever you start to run low you just add more memory banks, but

Re: Could we live forever?

2015-09-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 Sep 2015, at 19:09, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 Bruno Marchal wrote: ​>​The irony is that if you have the cognitive ability to conceive that you can survive qua "yes doctor", then you have the cognitive ability to understand that you are immortal no

Re: Could we live forever?

2015-09-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 Sep 2015, at 17:53, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 Brent Meeker wrote: ​​>>​ If you knew you were immortal why on earth would you ​ be risk averse? ​> ​Not having a built in biological life span is very different from being immortal. Immortal means

Re: Could we live forever?

2015-09-17 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: ​> ​ > Probably better to ask if immortal uploads would spend their times living > in underground computer network facilities for ages, or would they roam the > galaxy, searching for biology? ​Will

Re: Could we live forever?

2015-09-17 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 Brent Meeker wrote: > ​ >> ​>>​ >> If you knew you were immortal why on earth would you ​be risk averse? > > ​> ​ > Not having a built in biological life span is very different from being > immortal. Immortal means you can't die. > Immortality

Re: Could we live forever?

2015-09-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 Sep 2015, at 00:16, Brent Meeker wrote: On 9/16/2015 10:39 AM, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 , spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: ​ > ​ It seems, at this point, that the time for uploading is far, far, away. It could emerge out of

Re: Could we live forever?

2015-09-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
: John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Wed, Sep 16, 2015 01:27 PM Subject: Re: Could we live forever? On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: ​> ​ Without a built-in biological life span, peopl

Re: Could we live forever?

2015-09-17 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 Bruno Marchal wrote: ​>​ > The irony is that if you have the cognitive ability to conceive that you > can survive qua "yes doctor", then you have the cognitive ability to > understand that you are immortal no matter what. > ​So if you can conceive of

Re: Could we live forever?

2015-09-16 Thread Brent Meeker
On 9/16/2015 10:39 AM, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 , spudboy100 via Everything List >wrote: ​ > ​ It seems, at this point, that the time for uploading is far, far, away. It could emerge out of

Re: Could we live forever?

2015-09-16 Thread Brent Meeker
On 9/16/2015 10:27 AM, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 Brent Meeker >wrote: ​ > ​ Without a built-in biological life span, people may become extremely timid and risk averse. ​ If you knew you were immortal why on earth

Re: Could we live forever?

2015-09-16 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
ything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Wed, Sep 16, 2015 01:27 PM Subject: Re: Could we live forever? On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net;>meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: ​>

Re: Could we live forever?

2015-09-16 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 Brent Meeker wrote: ​> ​ > Without a built-in biological life span, people may become extremely > timid and risk averse. > ​If you knew you were immortal why on earth would you ​be risk averse? ​And if the death of death causes social problems then

Re: Could we live forever?

2015-09-16 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 , spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > ​> ​ > It seems, at this point, that the time for uploading is far, far, away. It > could emerge out of neuroscience research, and all that, but it doesn't > feel like there is anything reliable at

Re: Could we live forever?

2015-09-15 Thread Brent Meeker
On 9/15/2015 9:28 AM,: https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLS3XGZxi7cBU51zQvc2S6SNKI4mYgO_SO=1=STsTUEOqP-g Without a built-in biological life span, people may become extremely timid and risk averse. Brent "The older you get, the less you have to lose." -- You received this message

Re: Could we live forever?

2015-09-15 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
. -Original Message- From: John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2015 12:28 pm Subject: Could we live forever? https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLS3XGZxi7cBU51zQvc2S6SNKI4mYgO_SO=1

Re: Could we live forever?

2015-09-15 Thread John Mikes
it doesn't feel like there is anything reliable at this point. > > > > -Original Message- > From: John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> > To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2015 12:28 pm > Subject: Could we live forever? >