Re: In case anyone's in doubt, Daniel Dennett thinks consciousness is an illusion

2015-06-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Jun 2015, at 04:15, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 Bruno Marchal wrote: >> He doesn't actually say that (and he probably didn't write the headline). What he says is that your consciousness produces illusions and it's not so transparent as people tend to assume. > I suspec

Re: In case anyone's in doubt, Daniel Dennett thinks consciousness is an illusion

2015-06-03 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> He doesn't actually say that (and he probably didn't write the >> headline). What he says is that your consciousness produces illusions and >> it's not so transparent as people tend to assume. >> > > > I suspect a wordplay. Consciousness is make sen

Re: In case anyone's in doubt, Daniel Dennett thinks consciousness is an illusion

2015-06-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 02 Jun 2015, at 22:38, John Mikes wrote: So, Bruno, what is that 'illusion-maker' I don't know, but IF computationalism is correct, then a little part of elementary arithmetic can be proved to be an illusion maker, and the UD-Argument shows that physics has to be justified by a rel

Re: In case anyone's in doubt, Daniel Dennett thinks consciousness is an illusion

2015-06-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 02 Jun 2015, at 20:12, Alberto G. Corona wrote: "our brains are actively fooling us." Laughing out loudly This phrase condensated the swallowness of modern thinking (I would not dare to call it philosophy) if for the materialist monists, the brain determines the mind, who is the "us"

Re: In case anyone's in doubt, Daniel Dennett thinks consciousness is an illusion

2015-06-02 Thread LizR
If I ever get away from him (or her) I will be dead. Or unconscious, at least. On 3 June 2015 at 10:11, Kim Jones wrote: > > > If you ever run into him you will instantly recognise him > > Kim > > On 3 Jun 2015, at 7:54 am, LizR wrote: > > "Who is the Master who makes the grass green?" > > On 3

Re: In case anyone's in doubt, Daniel Dennett thinks consciousness is an illusion

2015-06-02 Thread Kim Jones
If you ever run into him you will instantly recognise him Kim > On 3 Jun 2015, at 7:54 am, LizR wrote: > > "Who is the Master who makes the grass green?" > >> On 3 June 2015 at 08:38, John Mikes wrote: >> So, Bruno, what is that 'illusion-maker' >> John M >> >>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at

Re: In case anyone's in doubt, Daniel Dennett thinks consciousness is an illusion

2015-06-02 Thread LizR
"Who is the Master who makes the grass green?" On 3 June 2015 at 08:38, John Mikes wrote: > So, Bruno, what is that 'illusion-maker' > John M > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 02 Jun 2015, at 04:43, meekerdb wrote: >> >> On 6/1/2015 6:31 PM, LizR wrote: >>

Re: In case anyone's in doubt, Daniel Dennett thinks consciousness is an illusion

2015-06-02 Thread John Mikes
So, Bruno, what is that 'illusion-maker' John M On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 02 Jun 2015, at 04:43, meekerdb wrote: > > On 6/1/2015 6:31 PM, LizR wrote: >> >>> http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_dennett_on_our_consciousness >>> >> >> He doesn't actually say that (an

Re: In case anyone's in doubt, Daniel Dennett thinks consciousness is an illusion

2015-06-02 Thread John Mikes
Brent: the punctum saliens is the inclusion "our" in the title. As in:"our consciousness". I let my mind wander further and found that whatever we THINK as OUR consciousness is part of a wider phenomenon and as I wandered further it left the view of only consious beings, includable to EVERYTHING

Re: In case anyone's in doubt, Daniel Dennett thinks consciousness is an illusion

2015-06-02 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Good, let him not accept payments for his lectures. It's an illusion! -Original Message- From: LizR To: everything-list Sent: Mon, Jun 1, 2015 9:31 pm Subject: In case anyone's in doubt, Daniel Dennett thinks consciousness is an illusion http://www.ted

Re: In case anyone's in doubt, Daniel Dennett thinks consciousness is an illusion

2015-06-02 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I mean that whoever said the phrase he is a hard dualist because he is assuming a "us" that is not determined by the brain, but deceived by it. But he assumes consciously a monist materialist standpoint!! What the FUCK is that? Dennet, boy, there are excellent introductory courses for classical

Re: In case anyone's in doubt, Daniel Dennett thinks consciousness is an illusion

2015-06-02 Thread Alberto G. Corona
"our brains are actively fooling us." Laughing out loudly This phrase condensated the swallowness of modern thinking (I would not dare to call it philosophy) if for the materialist monists, the brain determines the mind, who is the "us" in the phrase? they are assuming that there is another "us"

Re: In case anyone's in doubt, Daniel Dennett thinks consciousness is an illusion

2015-06-02 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
"Philosopher Dan Dennett makes a compelling argument that not only don't we understand our own consciousness, but that half the time our brains are actively fooling us." I wonder if Dennett has mentioned what percentage of time his brain was actively fooling him during his talk. Am Dienstag, 2

Re: In case anyone's in doubt, Daniel Dennett thinks consciousness is an illusion

2015-06-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 02 Jun 2015, at 04:43, meekerdb wrote: On 6/1/2015 6:31 PM, LizR wrote: http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_dennett_on_our_consciousness He doesn't actually say that (and he probably didn't write the headline). What he says is that your consciousness produces illusions and it's not so trans

Re: In case anyone's in doubt, Daniel Dennett thinks consciousness is an illusion

2015-06-01 Thread meekerdb
On 6/1/2015 6:31 PM, LizR wrote: http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_dennett_on_our_consciousness He doesn't actually say that (and he probably didn't write the headline). What he says is that your consciousness produces illusions and it's not so transparent as people tend to assume. Brent -- Yo

In case anyone's in doubt, Daniel Dennett thinks consciousness is an illusion

2015-06-01 Thread LizR
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