RE: Copies Count

2005-06-22 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Hal Finney writes: Stathis Papaioannou writes: > Hal Finney writes: > >Suppose you will again be simultaneously teleported to Washington > >and Moscow. This time you will have just one copy waking up in each. > >Then you will expect 50-50 odds. But suppose that after one hour, > >the copy in M

RE: Copies Count

2005-06-22 Thread "Hal Finney"
Stathis Papaioannou writes: > Hal Finney writes: > >Suppose you will again be simultaneously teleported to Washington > >and Moscow. This time you will have just one copy waking up in each. > >Then you will expect 50-50 odds. But suppose that after one hour, > >the copy in Moscow gets switched to

RE: Copies Count

2005-06-20 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Hal Finney writes: So let me try an interesting variant on the experiment. I think someone else proposed this recently, the idea of "retroactive causation". I won't put that exact spin on it though. Suppose you will again be simultaneously teleported to Washington and Moscow. This time you wi

RE: Copies Count

2005-06-20 Thread Brent Meeker
>-Original Message- >From: Jesse Mazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 12:38 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; everything-list@eskimo.com >Subject: RE: Copies Count > > >Hal Finney wrote: > >> >>Jesse Mazer writes: >> &

RE: Copies Count

2005-06-20 Thread "Hal Finney"
Jesse Mazer writes: > It's a bit hard for me to come up with a satisfactory answer to this > problem, because I don't start from the assumption of a physical universe at > all--like Bruno, I'm trying to start from a measure on observer-moments and > hope that somehow the appearance of a physical

RE: Copies Count

2005-06-20 Thread Jesse Mazer
Hal Finney wrote: Jesse Mazer writes: > Would you say that because you think running multiple identical copies of a > given mind in parallel doesn't necessarily increase the absolute measure of > those observer-moments (that would be my opinion)... ... Suppose we are going to flip a bi

RE: Copies Count

2005-06-20 Thread "Hal Finney"
Stathis Papaioannou writes: > I agree that you will have a 90% chance of waking up in Moscow, given that > that is the *relative* measure of your successor OM when you walk into the > teleporter. This is the only thing that really matters with the copies, from > a selfish viewpoint: the relative

RE: Copies Count

2005-06-20 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Hal Finney writes: Stathis Papaioannou writes: > Here is another way of explaining this situation. When there are multiple > parallel copies of you, you have no way of knowing which copy you are, > although you definitely are one of the copies during any given moment, with > no telepathic lin

RE: Copies Count

2005-06-19 Thread "Hal Finney"
Stathis Papaioannou writes: > Here is another way of explaining this situation. When there are multiple > parallel copies of you, you have no way of knowing which copy you are, > although you definitely are one of the copies during any given moment, with > no telepathic links with the others or

RE: Copies Count

2005-06-19 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Hal Finney writes: Consider an experiment where we are simulating someone and can give them either a good or bad experience. These are not replays, they are new experiences which we can accurately anticipate will be pleasant or unpleasant. Suppose we are going to flip a biased quantum coin, on