Re: SV: Only logic is necessary?

2006-07-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
In three different posts, Brent Meeker wrote : I'm not sure that logic in the formal sense can be right or wrong; it's a set of conventions about language and inference. About the only standard I've seen by which a logic or mathematical system could be called wrong is it if it is

Re: SV: Only logic is necessary?

2006-07-10 Thread 1Z
Brent Meeker wrote: 1Z wrote: Brent Meeker wrote: You misunderstand population models. It's not a question of what members of a species think or vote for; it's a matter of whether their logic will lead to their survival in the evolutionary biological sense. So the majority can

Re: SV: Only logic is necessary?

2006-07-10 Thread John M
--- 1Z [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brent Meeker wrote: (Skip to 1Z's reply) If you want to judge what is better in terms of survival, you need to use logic. And then you may be still wrong, things sometimes occur (in our terms - see below) as illogical or even: counterproductive. Human

Re: SV: Only logic is necessary?

2006-07-10 Thread Brent Meeker
1Z wrote: Brent Meeker wrote: 1Z wrote: Brent Meeker wrote: You misunderstand population models. It's not a question of what members of a species think or vote for; it's a matter of whether their logic will lead to their survival in the evolutionary biological sense. So the

Re: SV: Only logic is necessary?

2006-07-10 Thread Jesse Mazer
Brent Meeker wrote: 1Z wrote: Brent Meeker wrote: 1Z wrote: Brent Meeker wrote: You misunderstand population models. It's not a question of what members of a species think or vote for; it's a matter of whether their logic will lead to their survival in the evolutionary

Re: SV: Only logic is necessary?

2006-07-10 Thread Brent Meeker
Jesse Mazer wrote: Brent Meeker wrote: 1Z wrote: Brent Meeker wrote: 1Z wrote: Brent Meeker wrote: You misunderstand population models. It's not a question of what members of a species think or vote for; it's a matter of whether their logic will lead to their survival in the

Re: SV: Only logic is necessary?

2006-07-10 Thread Jesse Mazer
Brent Meeker: Jesse Mazer wrote: Brent Meeker wrote: 1Z wrote: Brent Meeker wrote: 1Z wrote: Brent Meeker wrote: You misunderstand population models. It's not a question of what members of a species think or vote for; it's a matter of whether their

Re: SV: Only logic is necessary?

2006-07-10 Thread Brent Meeker
Jesse Mazer wrote: Brent Meeker: Jesse Mazer wrote: Brent Meeker wrote: 1Z wrote: Brent Meeker wrote: 1Z wrote: Brent Meeker wrote: You misunderstand population models. It's not a question of what members of a species think or vote for; it's a matter of whether their

Re: SV: Only logic is necessary?

2006-07-10 Thread 1Z
John M wrote: --- 1Z [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brent Meeker wrote: (Skip to 1Z's reply) If you want to judge what is better in terms of survival, you need to use logic. And then you may be still wrong, things sometimes occur (in our terms - see below) as illogical or even:

RE: SV: Only logic is necessary?

2006-07-09 Thread Jesse Mazer
Lennart Nilsson wrote: No, you have the burden of showing what possible worlds could possibly mean outside a real biological setting. Cooper shows that logical laws are dependent on which population model they refer to. Of course that goes for the notion of possibility also... That sounds

Re: SV: Only logic is necessary?

2006-07-09 Thread 1Z
Lennart Nilsson wrote: No, you have the burden of showing what possible worlds could possibly mean outside a real biological setting. I have shown that; HYPOTHETICAL states-of-affairs which do not contradict any laws KNOWN TO US. Cooper shows that logical laws are dependent on which

Re: SV: Only logic is necessary?

2006-07-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 09-juil.-06, à 10:07, Jesse Mazer a écrit : Lennart Nilsson wrote: No, you have the burden of showing what possible worlds could possibly mean outside a real biological setting. Cooper shows that logical laws are dependent on which population model they refer to. Of course that

Re: SV: Only logic is necessary?

2006-07-09 Thread Brent Meeker
1Z wrote: Lennart Nilsson wrote: No, you have the burden of showing what possible worlds could possibly mean outside a real biological setting. I have shown that; HYPOTHETICAL states-of-affairs which do not contradict any laws KNOWN TO US. Cooper shows that logical laws are

Re: SV: Only logic is necessary?

2006-07-09 Thread 1Z
Brent Meeker wrote: You misunderstand population models. It's not a question of what members of a species think or vote for; it's a matter of whether their logic will lead to their survival in the evolutionary biological sense. So the majority can be wrong. Cooper is making valid

Re: SV: Only logic is necessary?

2006-07-09 Thread Brent Meeker
1Z wrote: Brent Meeker wrote: You misunderstand population models. It's not a question of what members of a species think or vote for; it's a matter of whether their logic will lead to their survival in the evolutionary biological sense. So the majority can be wrong. Cooper is

Re: SV: Only logic is necessary?

2006-07-09 Thread Jesse Mazer
Brent Meeker wrote: 1Z wrote: Brent Meeker wrote: You misunderstand population models. It's not a question of what members of a species think or vote for; it's a matter of whether their logic will lead to their survival in the evolutionary biological sense. So the majority can be

Re: SV: Only logic is necessary?

2006-07-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 06-juil.-06, à 21:49, Lennart Nilsson a écrit : x-tad-biggerBruno;/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerAccording to Cooper classical analysis is plain bad biology, /x-tad-bigger ? x-tad-biggerand not a matter of subjective judgement or philosophical preferens (such as taking atithmetical truth for