Fermi Paradox and measure

2006-06-26 Thread Ron Hale-Evans
Hi all, Long-time listener, first-time caller. My favourite answer to the Fermi Paradox has been that the aliens are using nearly-perfect compression or encryption for their radio signals (if they're using radio), and that's why all we can detect is noise. However, tonight another answer

Re: Only Existence is necessary?

2006-06-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
Dear Stephen, snip Comp, I am claiming requires more than just the mere a priori existence of AR (Platonic theory of Numbers), it requires a means to relate them to one another. Numbers are related by addition and multiplication. With Church thesis (+ Godel or Matiyasevich) that

Re: A calculus of personal identity

2006-06-26 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Bruno Marchal writes (quoting SP): Of course, it is not possible for a third person observer to be certain about first person mental states, and this would apply to our

Re: A calculus of personal identity

2006-06-26 Thread John M
--- Brent Meeker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP previous I we actually tried duplication, then as in all communication technologies, there would be errors and the duplication would not be perfect. But then the question arises, could the duplicate have all the memories and personality of

Fermi Paradox

2006-06-26 Thread John M
Friends: whoever is interested in the real background of the stories behind the Fermi Paradox - and did not read this so far - should click http://www.setileague.org/askdr/hungary.htm and read it. I wanted to write the story, but first checked Google for authenticity and found this Wikipedia

Re: Fermi Paradox and measure

2006-06-26 Thread John M
Ron, Bruno, et al.: I posted a rather 'easy' URL to the subject right now. More seriously: Alien (extraterrestrial, extrasolarian, extragalatical and I could add: extrauniversal (and I try to evade that unidentifiable life word) intelligence (though similarly hard to identify to wider consent)

Re: Only Existence is necessary?

2006-06-26 Thread Tom Caylor
Bruno Marchal wrote: Dear Stephen, snip Comp, I am claiming requires more than just the mere a priori existence of AR (Platonic theory of Numbers), it requires a means to relate them to one another. Numbers are related by addition and multiplication. With Church thesis

Re: A calculus of personal identity

2006-06-26 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Brent Meeker writes (quoting SP) I don't understand why you [Bruno Marchal] say if duplication (at any level) is a death sentence, then comp is wrong. There must be a *minimal* level of duplication fidelity below which