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2007-01-03 Thread Jason
Hello Everyone, I am a 22 year old male who majored in computer science. I have some level of familiarity with Ultimate Ensemble, Digital physics, the many-worlds interpretation, as well as philosophy. Some people that have influenced my ideas include: Max Tegmark, David Deutsch, Wei Dai,

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-01-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 02-janv.-07, à 13:59, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit : Mark Peaty writes: SP: ' In the end, what is right is an irreducible personal belief, which you can try to change by appeal to emotions or by example, but not by appeal to logic or empirical facts. And in fact I feel much safer that

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-01-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 03-janv.-07, à 03:46, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit : Bruno Marchal writes: It gets cumbersome to qualify everything with given the appearance of a physical world. As I have said before, I am not entirely convinced that comp is true, Nor am I. (Remind that no machine can, from its

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-01-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 03-janv.-07, à 04:00, Mark Peaty a écrit : SP: 'using the term comp as short for computationalism as something picked up from Bruno. On the face of it, computationalism seems quite sensible: the best theory of consciousness and the most promising candidate for producing artificial

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-01-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 03-janv.-07, à 05:24, Brent Meeker wrote (to Mark Peaty) Remember that Bruno is a logician. When he writes infinite he really means infinite - not really, really big as physicists do. Almost all numbers are bigger than 10^120, which is the biggest number that appears in physics (and

RE: The Meaning of Life

2007-01-03 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Bruno Marchal writes: which invokes an argument discovered by Bruno and Tim Maudlin demonstrating that there is a problem with the theory that the mental supervenes on the physical. It seems that to be consistent you have to allow either that any computation, including the supposedly

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-01-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 03-janv.-07, à 06:39, Mark Peaty a écrit : BM: ' (= Bruno Marchal, not Brent Meeker) OK, except I don't see what you mean by on a number basis. We know that number have a lot of quantitative interesting relationships, but after Godel, Solovay etc.. we do know that numbers have

Re: JOINING post

2007-01-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Jason, Welcome, Le 03-janv.-07, à 11:07, Jason a écrit : http://home.gcn.cx/users/jason/ideas.html I will take a look once I get enough time. It seems you belong to the ASSA group, that is you accept some form of bayesianism for fundamental probability question. Hope you will wake

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-01-03 Thread Mark Peaty
SP: 'Recall that ordinary life does not involve anything like perfect copying of your brain from moment to moment. Thousands of neurons are dying all the time and you don't even notice, and it is possible to infarct a substantial proportion of your brain and finish up with just a bit of a

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-01-03 Thread 1Z
Mark Peaty wrote: SP: 'using the term comp as short for computationalism as something picked up from Bruno. On the face of it, computationalism seems quite sensible: the best theory of consciousness and the most promising candidate for producing artificial intelligence/consciousness' What

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-01-03 Thread 1Z
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Although you have clearly stated that the two ideas - consciousness supervening on all physical processes and consciousness supervening on no physical process - are completely different I think they are related in that in both cases matter is irrelevant to

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-01-03 Thread Brent Meeker
Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 03-janv.-07, à 05:24, Brent Meeker wrote (to Mark Peaty) Remember that Bruno is a logician. When he writes infinite he really means infinite - not really, really big as physicists do. Almost all numbers are bigger than 10^120, which is the biggest number that

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-01-03 Thread Brent Meeker
Mark Peaty wrote: SP: 'You don't actually have to emulate the entire universe, just enough to fool its inhabitants. For example, you don't need to emulate the appearance of a snowflake in the Andromeda galaxy except in the unlikely event that someone went to have a look at it.' MP: I think

RE: The Meaning of Life

2007-01-03 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Peter Jones writes: SP: 'using the term comp as short for computationalism as something picked up from Bruno. On the face of it, computationalism seems quite sensible: the best theory of consciousness and the most promising candidate for producing artificial intelligence/consciousness'

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-01-03 Thread Mark Peaty
For my benefit, could you flesh that out in plain English please? Regards Mark Peaty CDES [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.arach.net.au/~mpeaty/ 1Z wrote: Mark Peaty wrote: SP: 'using the term comp as short for computationalism as something picked up from Bruno. On the face of it,

RE: The Meaning of Life

2007-01-03 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Peter Jones writes: Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Although you have clearly stated that the two ideas - consciousness supervening on all physical processes and consciousness supervening on no physical process - are completely different I think they are related in that in both cases matter