Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-05-02 Thread Kelly
On Apr 29, 2:26 am, russell standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: What extra information do you have in mind? I'd gladly update my priors with anything I can lay my hands on. So changes to neural structure and the concentrations of various chemicals within neurons and around neural synapses

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-05-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 30 Apr 2009, at 18:29, Jesse Mazer wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Apr 2009, at 23:30, Jesse Mazer wrote: But I'm not convinced that the basic Olympia machine he describes doesn't already have a complex causal structure--the causal structure would be in the way different troughs

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-05-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 30 Apr 2009, at 19:39, Brent Meeker wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Apr 2009, at 15:49, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Marchal wrote That is weird. I think that you believe that a rock implements computations, because you believe a computation can be decomposed in tiny computations,

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-05-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 01 May 2009, at 17:02, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: 2009/5/1 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: That is, you can't say that the rock implements one computation but not another. I don't think it implements any computations. I could accept some tiny apparition of tiny pieces of of tiny

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-05-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 01 May 2009, at 19:36, Jesse Mazer wrote: I found a paper on the Mandelbrot set and computability, I understand very little but maybe Bruno would be able to follow it: http://arxiv.org/abs/cs.CC/0604003 The same author has a shorter outline or slides for a presentation on this

Re: Temporary Reality

2009-05-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 01 May 2009, at 08:53, Kim Jones wrote: Perhaps atheism is necessary as a stepping stone to a more correct theology? Ah ah, I see that you want to provoke me :) Hard to say, I am discovering that many atheist websites adopt a new definition of atheism, making it a form of