Re: The seven step series

2009-09-08 Thread Bruno Marchal


On 31 Aug 2009, at 19:31, Bruno Marchal wrote:

 Next: I will do some antic mathematic, and prove the irrationality  
 of the square root of two, for many reasons, including some thought  
 about what is a proof. And then I will prove Cantor theorem. Then I  
 will define what is a computable function. I will explain why Cantor  
 reasoning seems to prove, in that context, the impossibility of  
 the existence of universal machine, and why actually Cantor  
 reasoning will just make them paying the big price for their  
 existence.

 Any question, any comment?  I guess that I am too quick for some,  
 too slow for others.

 Don't forget the exercise: show that there is always a bijection  
 between A+ and N.
 (A+ = set of finite strings on the alphabet A). This is important  
 and will be used later.

I illustrate the solution on a simple alphabet.

An alphabet is just any finite set. Let us take A = {a, b, c}.
A+ is the set of words made with the letters taken in A. A word is  
any finite sequence of letters.

To build the bijection from N to A+, the idea consists in enumerating  
the words having 0 letters (the empty word), then 1 letter, then 2  
letters, then 3 letters, and so on. For each n there is a finite  
numbers of words of length n, and those can be ordered alphabetically,  
by using some order on the alphabet. In our case we will decide that a  
  b, and b c (a  b should be read a is before b).

So we can send 0 on the empty word. Let us note the empty word as *.

0 -- *

then we treat the words having length 1:

1 --  a
2 --  b
3 --  c

then the words having length 2:

4 --- aa
5 --  ab
6 --  ac

7 --  ba
8 --  bb
9 --  bc

10 -- ca
11 -- cb
12 -- cc

Then the words having lenght 3. There will be a finite number of such  
words, which can be ranged alphabetically,

etc.

Do you see that this gives a bijection from N = {0, 1, 2, 3 ...} to A+  
= {*, a, b, c, aa, ab, ac, ba, bb, bc, ...}

It is one-one: no two identical words will appears in the enumeration.
It is onto: all words will appear soon or later in the enumeration.

I will call such an enumeration, or order, on A+, the lexicographic  
order.

Its mathematical representation is of course the set of couples:

{(0, *), (1, a), (2, b), (3, c), (4, aa), ...}

OK? No question?

Next, I suggest we do some antic mathematics. It will, I think, be  
helpful to study a simple  impossibility theorem, before studying  
Cantor theorems, and then the many impossibilities generated by the  
existence of universal machines. It is also good to solidify our  
notion of 'real numbers', which does play some role in the  
computability general issue.


Here are some preparation. I let you think about relationship between  
the following propositions. I recall that: the square root of X  is  Y  
means that Y^2 = X. (It is the 'inverse function of the power 2  
function). The square root of 9 is 3, for example, because 3^2 = 3*3 =  
9. OK?

- There exists incommensurable length  (finite length segment of line  
with no common integral unity)
- the Diophantine equation x^2 = 2(y^2) has no solution  (Diophantine  
means that x and y are supposed to be integers).
- the square root of 2 is irrational (= is not the ratio of integers)
- The square root of 2 has an infinite and never periodic decimal.
- If we want to measure by numbers any arbitrary segment of line, we  
need irrational numbers

Take it easy, explanation will follow. This antic math interlude will  
not presuppose the 'modern math' we have seen so far.

Bruno







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Re: The seven step series

2009-09-08 Thread m.a.

Bruno,
   Just to let you know that while I can't do the exercises, I am 
following as best I can. I think I understand that powersets of sets lead to 
ladders of larger and larger infinities and hope your exposition of how this 
results in the existence of universal machines will be equally clear. Best 
wishes,
 
marty a.


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 On 31 Aug 2009, at 19:31, Bruno Marchal wrote:


 Any question, any comment?  I guess that I am too quick for some,
 too slow for others.

 http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/




  


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Re: The seven step series

2009-09-08 Thread Bruno Marchal

Thanks for telling me Marty,
I wish you the best,

Bruno


On 08 Sep 2009, at 14:17, m.a. wrote:


 Bruno,
   Just to let you know that while I can't do the exercises,  
 I am
 following as best I can. I think I understand that powersets of sets  
 lead to
 ladders of larger and larger infinities and hope your exposition of  
 how this
 results in the existence of universal machines will be equally  
 clear. Best
 wishes,

marty a.


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 From: Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
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 Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 4:43 AM
 Subject: Re: The seven step series




 On 31 Aug 2009, at 19:31, Bruno Marchal wrote:


 Any question, any comment?  I guess that I am too quick for some,
 too slow for others.

 http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/







 

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