Re: Quantum Computer Factoring

On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 5:30:35 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/14/2019 4:52 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > There are some engineers who think that although quantum processes do > occur in the quantum computers of the various types being built, none will > ever turn out to be

Re: Superdeterminism in comics

> On 12 Dec 2019, at 22:46, John Clark wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 8:59 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > >> For the 998th time, given that in Bruno's scenario a first person > >> experience duplicating machine is invoked there is no such thing as THE > >>

Re: Quantum Computer Factoring

On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 6:47 AM Philip Thrift wrote: *> The checking part is not the issue. The issue is how much time a QC will > need to run (the noise wiping out the parallelism) to find a correct > factorization vs. a standard computer (even with quantum chip QRNGs for > generating random

Re: The problem with physics

> On 12 Dec 2019, at 23:23, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 7:05 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > Mechanism implies that the soul is immaterial, > > Mechanism implies that information is as close to the traditional concept of > the soul and still

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

> On 12 Dec 2019, at 23:09, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 6:54 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > >> A good operational definition of "real" is something that produces > >> results, so you need to explain why some programs, like those inside a > >>

Re: Superdeterminism in comics

On Sunday, December 15, 2019 at 6:06:12 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 12 Dec 2019, at 22:46, John Clark > > wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 8:59 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > >> For the 998th time, given that in Bruno's scenario a first person >>> experience duplicating machine

Re: Quantum Computer Factoring

On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 at 6:30 PM 'Brent Meeker' < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > * > In some cases, like factoring big numbers, it's easy to check the > answer classically.* > There are some problems that are hard to do but easy to check, for example if I claim to have a better

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 6:55 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: >> every time I ask you for an example of a program in nothing but >> "arithmetical reality" making a real calculation and producing a real >> result you refer me to ASCII characters printed in the pages of a dusty old >> book. > > > *> Well,

Re: Quantum Computer Factoring

On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 10:49 AM Philip Thrift wrote: *> But this theoretical quantum parallelism speedup will be wiped > out (according to critics) in an actual quantum computer due to > "environmental" noise when the number of qubits is large enough to do > something useful.* Yes that's what

Re: Superdeterminism in comics

On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 7:06 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > *> the indexical first person self, which know very well who he is,* > Yes indeed, Mr.He knows who he is, Mr.He knows he is the man who saw W and also knows that the man who sees W is the W man, and both those things could be predicted

Re: Quantum Computer Factoring

On Sunday, December 15, 2019 at 7:58:59 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 6:47 AM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > *> The checking part is not the issue. The issue is how much time a QC >> will need to run (the noise wiping out the parallelism) to find a correct >>

Re: Quantum Computer Factoring

On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 3:40:21 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 at 3:26 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > *> It is doubtful (to some) ANY of them, (IBM, Google, ...) will work for >> factoring big numbers. (You might have to run them returning false results >> after