On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 6:55 AM Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>> every time I ask you for an example of a program in nothing but >> "arithmetical reality" making a real calculation and producing a real >> result you refer me to ASCII characters printed in the pages of a dusty old >> book. > > > *> Well, I am hoping to read, and understand them.* > *I could do the same as you, and tell you that each time you answer a > post, you just add up a sequence of ASCII character.* > But when my ASCII characters enter your physical computer in the form of physical electrical impulses they cause the production of physical photons radiating from your physical screen that enter your physical eye that then sends a physical nerve impulse to your physical brain which process that information in the way Turing described and then causes your physical fingers to make certain physical movements over your physical keyboard. *> The notion of computation is absolute in the sense that all computations > in derives models of arithmetic are the same.* > I agree, all computations derived from nothing but pure arithmetic are exactly the same because zero is equal to zero. > >> Turing already explained how matter can be intelligent, > > > > *> No. He just bet on computationalism. That does not make matter > intelligent. That makes mater bale to emulate an intelligent person* > I don't know what that means you need to give me an example. Was Einstein intelligent or did he just emulate an intelligent person and how can you tell the difference? *> If you believe that matter plays a role in the existence of a > computation, you have to explain a bit more what you mean by matter* > Rather than give a definition let me give an example. Matter is something that can explain why the inverse of the Fine Structure Constant is the pure dimensionless number 137.03602855338, physics can see that there is something very very special about that pure number but to pure mathematics there is absolutely nothing special about it even though it's a pure number, to mathematics it's just another humdrum number. And that's why physics is more fundamental than mathematics. *> and explain how it can select a computation in arithmetic and make it > “more real”,* > I don't need to explain how matter makes computations more real, I just need to demonstrate that it does, and to do that all I have to do is point to one of INTEL's multi-billion dollar chip fabrication foundries. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv12UrdhozTsknpX%2B2-wEemQrNiNkyL-xAw-XLUKjNQqDQ%40mail.gmail.com.
