Re: belief, faith, truth

2006-02-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 30-janv.-06, à 18:49, Brent Meeker a écrit : Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 29-janv.-06, à 20:02, Brent Meeker a écrit : I largely agree with Stathis. I note a subtle difference in language between Danny and Stathis. Danny refers to believe in. I don't think a scientist ever believes in a

Re: belief, faith, truth

2006-02-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 30-janv.-06, à 17:25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom) wrote : Bruno wrote: I think everyone has religious faith... Amen, Bruno, and Ben also! This is of course a searing statement, Its consequences are no less searing I'm afraid. It means that an atheist is someone who has some religious

Re: belief, faith, truth

2006-02-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 01-févr.-06, à 16:11, John M a écrit : Bruno and list: We are so sure about our infinite capabilities to understand the entirety (wholeness) and follow all existence (whatever you may call it) by our human mind and logic... Who can be sure of that? I like to leave a 'slot' open

Re: belief, faith, truth

2006-02-01 Thread Benjamin Udell
Brent, list, [Ben] At this point I'm not talking about aspiring. I'm talking straightforwardly about being in control, making decisions -- at least for oneself. Some want more power than that. Some have more power than that and don't want it. Some have all that and want still more. Parents

Re: Fw: belief, faith, truth

2006-02-01 Thread danny mayes
Norman Samish wrote: Hi John,   Your rhetorical questions about "heaven" point out how ridiculous the concept is Actually, with all due respect to John, I failed to see how his original message (below) in any way illustrated "how ridiculous" the concept of heaven is.  It may

Re: belief, faith, truth

2006-02-01 Thread danny mayes
The easy answer for you, John, is that given an infinite afterlife, an intelligent being would probably experience everything that it is possible to experience. Heck, eventually I'd probably even get around to checking out what life as John M was all about. Danny Mayes John M wrote:

Re: Fw: belief, faith, truth

2006-02-01 Thread Norman Samish
Hi Danny, Thanks for your interesting comments. I've responded below. Norman Norman Samish wrote: Hi John, Your rhetorical questions about "heaven" point out how ridiculous the concept is. Actually, with all due respect to John, I failed to see how his

Re: belief, faith, truth

2006-02-01 Thread Daddycaylor
Norman wrote: I'm agnostic, yet it strikes me that even if there is no God, those that decide to have faith, and have the ability to have faith,in a benign God have gained quite a bit. They have faith in an afterlife, in ultimate justice, in the triumph of good over evil, etc. Without

Re: belief, faith, truth

2006-02-01 Thread Daddycaylor
Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 30-janv.-06, à 18:49, Brent Meeker a écrit : Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 29-janv.-06, à 20:02, Brent Meeker a écrit : I largely agree with Stathis. I note a subtle difference in language between Danny and Stathis. Danny refers to "believe in". I don't think a