Re: Zuse Symposium: Is the universe a computer? Berlin Nov 6-7

2006-11-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
In "conscience et mécanisme" I use Lowenheim Skolem theorem to explain why the first person of PA "see" uncountable things despite the fact that from the 0 person pov and the 3 person pov there is only countably many things (for PA). I explain it through a comics. See the drawings the page "d

Re: RITSIAR (was Numbers, Machine and Father Ted)

2006-11-03 Thread 1Z
Bruno Marchal wrote: > Le 02-nov.-06, à 17:34, David Nyman a écrit : > > > > > > > > Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > >> I don't understand really what you mean by "AUDA is not RITSIAR". AUDA > >> is just the lobian interview, or if you prefer the complete > >> mathematical formalization of the UDA rea

Re: Zuse Symposium: Is the universe a computer? Berlin Nov 6-7

2006-11-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
It is not a question of existence but of definability. For example you can define and prove (by Cantor diagonalization) the existence of uncountable sets in ZF which is a first order theory of sets. Now "uncountability" is not an absolute notion (that is the Lowenheim-Skolem lesson). Careful: u

Re: Zuse Symposium: Is the universe a computer? Berlin Nov 6-7

2006-11-03 Thread Saibal Mitra
uncompoutable numbers, non countable sets etc. don't exist in first order logic, see here: http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/courses/logsys/low-skol.htm "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Ah the famous Juergen Schmidhuber! :) > > Is the universe a computer. Well, if you define 'univer

Re: Zuse Symposium: Is the universe a computer? Berlin Nov 6-7

2006-11-03 Thread John M
Marc, I do not argue with 'your half' of the 'answer' you gave to the conference announcement of Jürgen Schm , I just ask for the 'other part': what should we call "a computer"? 'Anything' doing Comp? (meaning: whatever is doing it)? Will the conference be limited to that technically embryoni

RITSIAR (was Numbers, Machine and Father Ted)

2006-11-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 02-nov.-06, à 17:34, David Nyman a écrit : > > > Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> I don't understand really what you mean by "AUDA is not RITSIAR". AUDA >> is just the lobian interview, or if you prefer the complete >> mathematical formalization of the UDA reasoning. In some sense you can >> interp