RE: Evil ? (was: Hypostases (was: Natural Order & Belief)

2007-01-10 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Jone Mikes writes: > Stathis: wise words. (I find your Elvis - Jesus parable exaggerated). Not really: the people who claim they saw Elvis after his alleged death are more numerous and more credible than the second-hand (at best) Biblical accounts of Jesus being sighted after his crucifixion

RE: The Meaning of Life

2007-01-10 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Bruno Marchal writes: > I will ask you to be patient until next wednesday because I am busy > right now. I think we agree on many things, and this is an opportunity > to search where exactly we diverge, if we diverge. > For example I disagree with the expression "brain are conscious", but I

Re: Evil ? (was: Hypostases

2007-01-10 Thread Brent Meeker
John M wrote: > Stathis: wise words. (I find your Elvis - Jesus parable exaggerated). > Values, like ethics or morale is culture related - mostly anti-natural. There are no cultures in which people do not love their children, cooperate with relatives, seek both security and stimulation. > The

Re: Evil ?

2007-01-10 Thread Brent Meeker
John M wrote: > Brent: > I wonder if I can make a readable sense of this rather convoluted mix of > posts? I suggest the original should be at hand, I copy only the parts I > reflect to. My previous post quoted remarks go by a plain JM, the > present (new) inclusions as "JMnow paragrap

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-01-10 Thread John M
Jamie, thanks for the post in parts to my points (e.g. the "changing of definitions" semantically reformulates my position nicely - without the 'atom'-example, of course) Sponging the 'gedanken..' - the falling treebranch reflects in your version the omniscient arrogant reductionist position.

Re: Evil ? (was: Hypostases (was: Natural Order & Belief)

2007-01-10 Thread John M
Stathis: wise words. (I find your Elvis - Jesus parable exaggerated). Values, like ethics or morale is culture related - mostly anti-natural. The natural way of life is "eat the prey, animal and/or plant", kick out a competitor from your territory, once the lion killed the weaker male: eat his l

Re: Evil ? (was: Hypostases

2007-01-10 Thread John M
Brent: I wonder if I can make a readable sense of this rather convoluted mix of posts? I suggest the original should be at hand, I copy only the parts I reflect to. My previous post quoted remarks go by a plain JM, the present (new) inclusions as "JMnow paragraphs. John M - Origin

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-01-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
Stathis, I will ask you to be patient until next wednesday because I am busy right now. I think we agree on many things, and this is an opportunity to search where exactly we diverge, if we diverge. For example I disagree with the expression "brain are conscious", but I am read you more car

Re: The Meaning of [your] Life

2007-01-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Mark, (To the other: I will read and comment the remaining posts after next wednesday; I am very busy). Le 08-janv.-07, à 18:31, Mark Peaty a écrit : > Bruno, > > 1 Thank you for responding. Of course I have no right to expect a > response from anybody, but I was starting to jus