Re: KIM 2.3 (was Re: Time)

2009-01-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Jan 2009, at 05:46, Kim Jones wrote: OK. But keep in mind that consciousness is unique in the sense of knowing that it cannot know its Turing emulability level (yet can bet). Footnote - (parenthetical digression): I know the above thought is native to your schema, and up

Re: QM Turing Universality

2009-01-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Jan 2009, at 20:19, Mirek Dobsicek wrote: My question has perhaps no sense at all. Is there a notion of quantum computation done without any measurement? Quantum lambda calculus by Andre van Tonder does not containt measurement. http://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/0307150v5 From the

Re: KIM 2.3 (was Re: Time)

2009-01-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Jan 2009, at 22:15, Kim Jones wrote: On 22/01/2009, at 3:50 AM, Günther Greindl wrote: Kim, the uncomputability of this issue. Why should the mind be limited to the computable? Clearly it is not. So you deny Step 1 again? You say no to the doctor? In fact I have 'multiple

Re: KIM 2.3 (was Re: Time)

2009-01-22 Thread Kim Jones
Bruno, I found this an incredibly moving reply. I also see clearly your points. I am glad to have given you an opportunity to state so clearly some profoundly important ideas. Thank you, and let's continue the voyage. I am glad that Penrose was wrong. But then, without somebody as