Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

2009-02-25 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > 2009/2/25 meekerdb @dslextreme.com : > > >> It is the potential "fusion" that bothers me. It would seem to imply that >> after Stathis and I have a simultaneous moment of thinking of nothing our >> "closest continuations" might be mixtures, each having some memorie

Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

2009-02-25 Thread Brent Meeker
russell standish wrote: > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 07:00:39PM -0800, meekerdb @dslextreme.com wrote: > >> I think I am often *not* self-aware. But aside from that, I have definitely >> been unconscious several times in my life and I'm sure other people (though >> probably not Stathis) were unco

Re: language, cloning and thought experiments

2009-02-25 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2009/2/25 Jack Mallah : > 1) The fair trade > > This is the teleportation or Star Trek transporter thought experiment.  A > person is disintegrated, while a physically identical copy is created > elsewhere. > > Even on Star Trek, not everyone was comfortable with doing this.  The first > quest

Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

2009-02-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Feb 2009, at 03:39, russell standish wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 05:51:49PM -0800, meekerdb @dslextreme.com > wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 7:16 AM, Bruno Marchal >> wrote: >>> Exactly (assuming comp). That is even the reason why amnesia can led >>> to fusion of first perso

Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

2009-02-25 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2009/2/25 meekerdb @dslextreme.com : > It is the potential "fusion" that bothers me.  It would seem to imply that > after Stathis and I have a simultaneous moment of thinking of nothing our > "closest continuations" might be mixtures, each having some memories > belonging to Stathis and some belo

Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

2009-02-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Feb 2009, at 02:51, meekerdb @dslextreme.com wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 7:16 AM, Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > On 24 Feb 2009, at 03:04, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > > 2009/2/24 Brent Meeker : > > > >> I tend to agree with Quentin that memories are an essential > >> compon

Re: AUDA (was David Shoemaker, Personal Identity)

2009-02-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Feb 2009, at 23:44, Günther Greindl wrote: > > Hi, > >> I would say the Universal Soul. To be the ONE? The difficulty is >> that >> Plotinus is not always clear. > > I go now from my reading of mystical texts, not from the arithmetic > interpretation - and here mystics often report fee