Re: AUDA (was David Shoemaker, Personal Identity)

2009-02-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Feb 2009, at 23:44, Günther Greindl wrote: Hi, I would say the Universal Soul. To be the ONE? The difficulty is that Plotinus is not always clear. I go now from my reading of mystical texts, not from the arithmetic interpretation - and here mystics often report feeling at one

Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

2009-02-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Feb 2009, at 02:51, meekerdb @dslextreme.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 7:16 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 24 Feb 2009, at 03:04, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: 2009/2/24 Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com: I tend to agree with Quentin that memories are

Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

2009-02-25 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2009/2/25 meekerdb @dslextreme.com meeke...@dslextreme.com: It is the potential fusion that bothers me.  It would seem to imply that after Stathis and I have a simultaneous moment of thinking of nothing our closest continuations might be mixtures, each having some memories belonging to

Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

2009-02-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Feb 2009, at 03:39, russell standish wrote: On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 05:51:49PM -0800, meekerdb @dslextreme.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 7:16 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Exactly (assuming comp). That is even the reason why amnesia can led to fusion of first

Re: language, cloning and thought experiments

2009-02-25 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2009/2/25 Jack Mallah jackmal...@yahoo.com: 1) The fair trade This is the teleportation or Star Trek transporter thought experiment.  A person is disintegrated, while a physically identical copy is created elsewhere. Even on Star Trek, not everyone was comfortable with doing this.  The

Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

2009-02-25 Thread Brent Meeker
russell standish wrote: On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 07:00:39PM -0800, meekerdb @dslextreme.com wrote: I think I am often *not* self-aware. But aside from that, I have definitely been unconscious several times in my life and I'm sure other people (though probably not Stathis) were unconscious

Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

2009-02-25 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: 2009/2/25 meekerdb @dslextreme.com meeke...@dslextreme.com: It is the potential fusion that bothers me. It would seem to imply that after Stathis and I have a simultaneous moment of thinking of nothing our closest continuations might be mixtures, each having