Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-22 Thread Kelly
On Apr 21, 11:31 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: We could say that a state A access to a state B if there is a universal machine (a universal number relation) transforming A into B. This works at the ontological level, or for the third person point of view. But if A is a

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-22 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2009/4/22 Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com: The question was whether information was enough, or whether something else is needed for consciousness.  I think that sequence is needed, which we experience as the passage of time.  When you speak of computations going from A to B do you

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-22 Thread Brent Meeker
Kelly wrote: On Apr 21, 11:31 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: We could say that a state A access to a state B if there is a universal machine (a universal number relation) transforming A into B. This works at the ontological level, or for the third person point of view. But if

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-22 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: 2009/4/22 Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com: The question was whether information was enough, or whether something else is needed for consciousness. I think that sequence is needed, which we experience as the passage of time. When you speak of

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Apr 2009, at 08:55, Kelly wrote: On Apr 21, 11:31 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: We could say that a state A access to a state B if there is a universal machine (a universal number relation) transforming A into B. This works at the ontological level, or for the third

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Apr 2009, at 20:33, Brent Meeker wrote: I understand that the UD computes all different histories so they are interleaved. But each particular computation consists of an ordered set of states. These states can belong to more than one sequence of conscious experience. But the

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
John, On 21 Apr 2009, at 21:30, John Mikes wrote: Bruno, you made my day when you wrote: SOMEHOW - in: ...The machine has to be runned or executed relatively to a universal machine. You need the Peano or Robinson axiom to define such states and sequences of states. You can shuffled

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-22 Thread Kelly
On Apr 21, 2:33 pm, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: These states can belong to more than one sequence of conscious experience. But the question is whether the order of the states in the computation is always the same as their order in any sequence of conscious experience in which

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-22 Thread Brent Meeker
Kelly wrote: On Apr 21, 2:33 pm, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: These states can belong to more than one sequence of conscious experience. But the question is whether the order of the states in the computation is always the same as their order in any sequence of conscious

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-22 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:55 AM, Kelly harmon...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 21, 11:31 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: We could say that a state A access to a state B if there is a universal machine (a universal number relation) transforming A into B. This works at the ontological