Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-27 Thread Brent Meeker
Kelly wrote: On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: In fact I used that same argument with Russell Standish when he said that ants aren't conscious because if they were then we should expect to be experiencing life as ants and not humans. Did you

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-27 Thread Kelly
On Apr 27, 2:27 am, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: An untestable theory. But that's OK since if it's true it's also useless. Ha! True, true. But it being true AND useless would have a certain aesthetic/poetic appeal. Which makes me even more inclined to think that this is the

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-27 Thread Jason Resch
Kelly, Your position as you have described it sounds a lot like ASSA only without taking measure into consideration. I am curious if you believe there is any merit to counting OMs or not. Meaning, if I have two computers and set them up to run simulations of the same mind, are there two minds

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-27 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2009/4/27 Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com: I am not sure that the measure problem can be so easily abandoned/ignored.  Assuming every Observer Moment had has an equal measure, then the random/white-noise filled OMs should vastly outnumber the ordered and sensible OMs.  Though I ever only

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-27 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2009/4/28 Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com: 2009/4/27 Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com: I am not sure that the measure problem can be so easily abandoned/ignored.  Assuming every Observer Moment had has an equal measure, then the random/white-noise filled OMs should vastly outnumber

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-27 Thread Brent Meeker
Kelly wrote: On Apr 27, 2:27 am, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: An untestable theory. But that's OK since if it's true it's also useless. Ha! True, true. But it being true AND useless would have a certain aesthetic/poetic appeal. Which makes me even more inclined

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Apr 2009, at 06:40, Kelly wrote: On Apr 26, 12:47 pm, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: No, I think you're missing my point. Consider your analogy of fitting together images to make a complete picture. You present this as a spatial representation of the sequential

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Apr 2009, at 07:24, Kelly wrote: On Apr 26, 11:40 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: The question is; what are their relative probability measure? What can I expect. Any expectations you have are unfounded. The problem of induction applies. There is no problem of

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-27 Thread Brent Meeker
Kelly wrote: On Apr 26, 12:47 pm, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: No, I think you're missing my point. Consider your analogy of fitting together images to make a complete picture. You present this as a spatial representation of the sequential flow of consciousness. Now