Re: Bruno List continued

2011-10-13 Thread Terren Suydam
Hey Craig, On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> You have >> misunderstood what spontaneous neural activity means. > > There is no misunderstanding. It's not even controversial, you're just > plain denying the uncontested facts. Don't you think that if there > were any other t

Re: Blindsight crushes absent qualia?

2011-10-13 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Oct 13, 7:04 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 1:50 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > >> A person who has the visual cortex of his brain replaced with a > >> functionally equivalent computer will behave as if he can see > >> normally, claim that he can see normally and believe

Re: Bruno List continued

2011-10-13 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> The external inputs themselves are not modelled, they are provided by >> the environment. > > What is an 'external input' made of? Are you saying that there are > physical pieces of the outside world stuck inside of your brain? The outsid

Re: Blindsight crushes absent qualia?

2011-10-13 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Oct 13, 4:49 pm, Jason Resch wrote: > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > I think it's too simplistic to talk about a verbal center acting on > > it's own. There is no suggestion that a sightblind patient has been > > reduced to a talking parrot by their condition. We

Re: Blindsight crushes absent qualia?

2011-10-13 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Oct 13, 2:53 pm, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > 2011/10/13 Craig Weinberg > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 13, 11:04 am, Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Craig Weinberg > >wrote: > > > > > On Oct 13, 12:52 am, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:44 PM, Craig We

Re: Blindsight crushes absent qualia?

2011-10-13 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 1:50 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> A person who has the visual cortex of his brain replaced with a >> functionally equivalent computer will behave as if he can see >> normally, claim that he can see normally and believe that he can see >> normally. It is therefore not like

Re: Bruno List continued

2011-10-13 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Oct 13, 12:47 am, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:17 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > >>The model of a neuron does not include the inputs. A > >> larger model of a network of neurons includes inputs and outputs from > >> all the neurons in the network but does not include ext

Re: COMP is empty(?)

2011-10-13 Thread Russell Standish
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 05:20:11PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 12 Oct 2011, at 23:48, Russell Standish wrote: > > >I certainly appreciate you don't use Bayes' theorem in your work, but > >don't understand why you say you cannot use it. > > I am not saying that we cannot use it in some con

Re: COMP is empty(?)

2011-10-13 Thread benjayk
Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> If you are really humble, just don't make any statements about >> whether you >> reasoning is valid or not. > > I don't defend any truth but I am still offering a reasoning to you. > If you find it invalid it is your task to find the flaw. That's is by > definiti

Re: Blindsight crushes absent qualia?

2011-10-13 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > On Oct 13, 11:04 am, Jason Resch wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Craig Weinberg >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 13, 12:52 am, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:44 PM, Craig Weinberg > > > > wrote: > >

Re: COMP is empty(?)

2011-10-13 Thread Terren Suydam
Just to clarify, when I say we need discipline to avoid getting emotionally attached to beliefs, I don't mean it in the sense of punishment and reward. I mean "disciplined" (not lazy) and rigorous about always being willing to doubt what we hold to be true, and that this goes against our natural wi

Re: Blindsight crushes absent qualia?

2011-10-13 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2011/10/13 Craig Weinberg > On Oct 13, 11:04 am, Jason Resch wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Craig Weinberg >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 13, 12:52 am, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:44 PM, Craig Weinberg > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >http://serendip.bry

Re: Blindsight crushes absent qualia?

2011-10-13 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Oct 13, 11:04 am, Jason Resch wrote: > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > > > > On Oct 13, 12:52 am, Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:44 PM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > > > > >http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1676 > > > > > "As stated abov

Re: COMP is empty(?)

2011-10-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Oct 2011, at 23:48, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 02:54:01PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Oct 2011, at 22:14, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 06:03:42PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: With COMP, and via your UDA, our observed universe is select

Re: Blindsight crushes absent qualia?

2011-10-13 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > On Oct 13, 12:52 am, Jason Resch wrote: > > On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:44 PM, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1676 > > > > > "As stated above, blindsight is seen clin

Re: Blindsight crushes absent qualia?

2011-10-13 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Oct 13, 1:51 am, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > >http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1676 > > > "As stated above, blindsight is seen clinically as a contrast between > > a lack of declarative knowledge about a stimulus and a high ra

Re: Blindsight crushes absent qualia?

2011-10-13 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Oct 13, 12:52 am, Jason Resch wrote: > On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:44 PM, Craig Weinberg   > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1676 > > > "As stated above, blindsight is seen clinically as a contrast between > > a lack of declarative knowledge about a stimulus an

Re: COMP is empty(?)

2011-10-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:43, benjayk wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: You might say "cannot be captured entirely", but anyone has the right to suggest hypotheses and reasoning in any field. Questions makes always sense. I think you might attribute to me pretensions that I do not have. If you just ask

Re: Blindsight crushes absent qualia?

2011-10-13 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Oct 12, 11:06 pm, meekerdb wrote: > Or is it telling the truth if it says it can see? Then it wouldn't have blindsight? Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegr