Just to clarify, when I say we need discipline to avoid getting
emotionally attached to beliefs, I don't mean it in the sense of
punishment and reward. I mean "disciplined" (not lazy) and rigorous
about always being willing to doubt what we hold to be true, and that
this goes against our natural wiring, so to speak. However I think
it's also important to realize that we use many of our beliefs
completely unconsciously and that many of these help us navigate the
world moment by moment, enabling us to make quick use of intuition,
and instinctual/emotional responses. Becoming and staying unattached
to belief systems is a luxury paid for in contemplative time and as
you say, mindfulness.
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:17 PM, benjayk
>> Yes, ideas in opposition to one another are necessarily defined by,
>> and draw energy from, their opposite. So people attached to those
>> ideas, ironically enough, need their enemies as much as they need
>> their own beliefs. Emotional attachment to belief is the real culprit.
>> But we are hard-wired for that and have to train ourselves with
>> discipline to avoid it. What makes it harder is that identifying with
>> a particular belief system is anxiety-reducing, a source of comfort in
>> an uncertain world.
> That's true, but at some point it stops to work, namely if you realize your
> beliefs aren't true, as I slowly do. Yet I still believe them again and
> Belief is quite a trap. I think it is more healthy to not believe anything,
> including your own beliefs (that is, just treat them as thoughts that come
> up now and again, and not as anything worth holding on to).
> I am not sure discipline will help there, to the contrary, a lot of our
> emotional attachments show themselves in the way that we "discipline" us to
> do something we don't really want. The only thing that really helps is
> mindfulness, unfortunately you can't make that happen, and it often takes a
> long time to realize your bad habits and their root, and see the path to
> avoiding them (this includes not minding them, in my experience).
> I mean we tried discipline for a long time (think of schools a few decades
> ago), but mostly we became less disciplined and more wealthy (and bit more
> happy, maybe).
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