Re: Why Roger Clough's Posts are impossible to understand without severe brain damage.
You can add in your mail client a rule that just drop everything that's coming from Roger, that's what I did... If nobody answers him, he'll stop posting... if he doesn't well I don't see his mails anymore. Quentin 2013/8/2 freqflyer07281972 thismindisbud...@gmail.com There are two different, yet equally fruitless ways of conceiving why Roger Clough bothers to post garbage all over what used to be a very bright and interesting list. One, he is old and retired, so he has little else to fill his days. The other reason is that he thinks his ideas have some kind of merit, and he self-deceptively thinks they smack of some brilliance that is opaque to others. According to Roger, everything that was ever thought or will be thought that had any merit was thunk up by Leibniz, a german fancy boy from the 1500s who had a major hard-on for god-centric explanations of the universe. The fact that Roger has a major hard-on for fancy boys from the 1500s and has little of any original thinking to bring the the table himself should indicate to you the staleness of his thinking. Roger frequently makes vague pronouncements about 'what Leibniz thought,' punctuated by casual anti-semitism and political bear baiting. Rarely, though, is any of this backed up by sustained argument or evidence. It is as though you are witnessing a man in a fugue state, unaware that he makes no sense but believing strongly that he has the secret keys to the palace of universal knowledge. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Fwd: Fw: [Theoretical_Physics] Re: [4DWorldx] Fw: Re: Re:[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this
This may explain everything- pun intended -- Forwarded message -- From: richard ruquist yann...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 6:42 AM Subject: Fw: [Theoretical_Physics] Re: [4DWorldx] Fw: Re: Re:[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this To: yann...@gmail.com yann...@gmail.com - Forwarded Message - *From:* Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net *To:* 4dworldx 4dwor...@yahoogroups.com; theoretical_physics_board theoretical_physics_bo...@yahoogroups.com; theoretical_physics theoretical_phys...@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, August 2, 2013 5:58 AM *Subject:* Re: [Theoretical_Physics] Re: [4DWorldx] Fw: Re: Re:[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this Hi Chaotic Inflation I've been on anti-depressants for 30 years and would be dead without them. Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] See my Leibniz site at http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough - Receiving the following content - From: Chaotic Inflation Receiver: 4dwor...@yahoogroups.com,4dwor...@yahoogroups.com, theoretical_physics_bo...@yahoogroups.com, theoretical_phys...@yahoogroups.com Time: 2013-08-01, 21:29:12 Subject: [Theoretical_Physics] Re: [4DWorldx] Fw: Re: Re:[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this Yes, the sad fact is that most psychotropic drugs dont cure anything but put people in a state of sluggishness that makes them not really care about anything. From: Anna To: 4dwor...@yahoogroups.com; theoretical_physics_bo...@yahoogroups.com; theoretical_phys...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [4DWorldx] Fw: Re: Re: [Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this I tried once. Makes you very dull and uncreative. Anna From: Chaotic Inflation Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 7:23 PM To: 4dwor...@yahoogroups.com ; theoretical_physics_bo...@yahoogroups.com ; theoretical_phys...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [4DWorldx] Fw: Re: Re: [Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this I agree, I think they have good intentions however the end result would be disastrous. Although not all have good intentions, some have argued that introducing lithium would be a good way to ensure compliance and curb anti authoritarian behavior From: Roger Clough To: theoretical_physics_board Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:45 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this Hi Chaotic Inflation Lithium carbonate is a poison for most of us. Even for those with bipolar depression, it needs to be carefully monitored, and they can't be already taking it. Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] See my Leibniz site at http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough - Receiving the following content - From: Chaotic Inflation Receiver: mailto:Theoretical_Physics_Board%40yahoogroups.com Time: 2013-08-01, 03:17:43 Subject: Re: Re: [Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this Probably lol- what's your position on some psychiatrists' wanting lithium in the water supply though? From: Roger Clough To: theoretical_physics_board Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 2:16 AM Subject: Re: Re: [Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this Hi Chaotic Inflation It won't make people happy, but putting contraceptives in the drinking water should stop over-population. Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] See my Leibniz site at http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough - Receiving the following content - From: Chaotic Inflation Receiver: mailto:Theoretical_Physics_Board%40yahoogroups.com Time: 2013-07-31, 21:26:42 Subject: Re: [Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this The problem is, what works in a petri dish is time limited- those studies only go forward for a few months, while years down the line, things can be much different- and I contend this is exactly why we've seen much higher rates of certain illnesses. Man, reading that story about Agent Orange and the 200,000 kids born with birth defects really turned my stomach, and Monsanto had to shell out 230 million in a settlement and yet still denied responsibility? Evil endures. And now that glysophate has stopped working they want to use it on crops- what?! Haha, expect that company to be blown out of existence in the next few years. Dont think many tears will be shed. From: Allen Francom To: mailto:Theoretical_Physics_Board%40yahoogroups.com; Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this This is actually a heck of a topic Because... Malthusians do the math, right or wrong, they still do it... What works in a Petri-dish works for us too ? Likely so EXCEPT - we are good at inventing new corn and wheat, right or wrong at that too, we still feed more people than have seemingly ever even existed in entire
Re: [Swines] Human teleportation into space slower than walking(?)
I feel there is, in the sense that as masters degree students, they know what they know, and don't know what they don't know. The did their best with the well-known knowledge we possess today. Yes, I am counting there will be large modifications in our understanding of physics in the generations and centuries to come. Optimistic in the very long term. -Original Message- From: Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Jul 30, 2013 3:33 pm Subject: Fwd: [Swines] Human teleportation into space slower than walking(?) Is there any merit to this paper? -- Forwarded message -- From: May-Tzu ferdli...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 3:24 PM Subject: [Swines] Human teleportation into space slower than walking(?) To: swi...@yahoogroups.com http://phys.org/print294413020.html __._,_.___ Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: New Photos 1 Visit Your Group Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback . __,_._,___ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: The deadly legacy of another lib, Rachel Carson
On Thursday, August 1, 2013 9:35:18 AM UTC-4, Alberto G.Corona wrote: Thanks Roger for denouncing the fear induced by liberals and their negative religions, but this is not the appropriate place. It doesn't appear that Roger cares about whether this is an appropriate place - which reflects his ideology very well. All mouth and no ears. Craig Anyway: http://youtu.be/MDCCvOv3qZY?t=1h39s 2013/7/31 Roger Clough rcl...@verizon.net javascript: *The deadly legacy of another lib, Rachel Carson* Because of Rachel Carson, who is thought by some to have made up some if not all of the data in her book Silent Spring, DDT is now illegal in Africa and most other places. Thus Even though welfare organizations are frantically handing out mosquito netting, a child dies every minute from malaria. Malaria claims 660,000 lives per year, 90% of those in Africa. more than 1400 kids lose their lives to a mosquito bite every day. In addition, Nile fever is growing in incidence now in America. Robins, whom Carson supposedly helped to save, are known, along with finches and some other birds, to serve as reservoirs for the spread of Nile Fever and possibly Denghy fever, a painful disease of the joints. I noticed that here in MD, my back yard is a favored hangout for robins and yellow finches. Authorities believe that a good way to combat this is to increase the diversity of birdlife. since not all birds serve as reservoirs. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that deer, who already are known to spread Lyme disease, might also be reseervoirs for Nile and Denghy fever. Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] See my Leibniz site at http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: The stupid legacy of another crackpot, Roger Clough
No, it wuz the Libruls and their evil propaganda against delicious DDT. On Friday, August 2, 2013 1:35:31 AM UTC-4, freqflyer07281972 wrote: Because of Roger Clough, a less than mediocre Lutheran apologist who considers himself an astute interpreter of Leibniz, a formerly bright corner of the internet, the Everything List, has gone mostly dark due to the intellectual torpor and carelessness that seems to surround everything Clough says like the clouds of pestilence that surround the four horses of the apocalypse. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Roger is a rather lonely man who feels empty inside and yet also feels an irrational compulsion to flee this emptiness by trying hard to wrap it up in pseudo-profound mumbo jumbo and foist it on poor, unsuspecting readers of reading lists. RIP Everything List -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Couple of Posts
*Relativity and Reality * To what does relativity relate? Before there can be relation there must be presence, and before a presence can relate to another presence, there must be a capacity for detection of some kind. Even collision of bodies should not be taken for granted in physics. It is a testament to our imagination that we can conceive of a universe that happens without any participants - with only there and then, but no here and now to put them in their place. What is required instead is an imagination of empathy, to trace the origins of our own consciousness not to the dots and dashes of information gathering instruments developed for our bodies to use, but to our own native information gathering capacities. Whether photons are really things or not, no model of the universe can be complete without fully explaining the relationship of photons to the phenomenon that we see as light. Whatever it is that we see cannot be excluded from any complete description of the universe. An early diagramhttp://multisenserealism.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/seemap22.jpgof the MSR Theory of Everything suggests an equivalence of perception and relativity. Without getting too deep into the subject, it can be said that any discussion of relativity entails the use of a reference point, a so called ‘inertial frame’ within which phenomena tend to cohere together and share a common velocity. Even in a speeding train, the coffee in the cup can remain fairly settled on the tray in front of us. So long as the velocity of the train is maintained, we can’t tell by looking at the cup whether the train is stationary, or moving, or moving on top of another train which is moving even faster. Without this kind of orienting framing principle, there would be no ‘thing’ to relate to any other thing; no place to move toward or away from. Relativity requires an anchor, and for reasons which I will get into soon, the anchor of quantitative properties cannot itself be quantitative but must instead be perceptual in nature. General Relativity relies on Proprietary Relativity, aka, private perception. This should not be taken as an endorsement of anthropocentric idealism, or deism, or any other effort to fictionalize physical realism, but is instead a suggestion of pansensitivity with sense as both the universal law and the local participant. Relativity is anchored not only the law of inertia, but the consequences of it in sequestering physical tendencies into semantically stable ‘places’ which relate *to* each other, and *through* each other. This should be understood as a kind of sensitivity or awareness on the grandest, most public scale. It implies a translucence of mass and momentum in which the grandeur of events is implicitly and palpably present. Relativity refers to the underlying nature of place and pace as it is defined by matter and energy. Matter and energy create the spacetime context by their relation with each other. The title *General Relativity*, just as words in the English language, infers a generalized or universal quality of relating which is dynamic. It’s not a static property of general related-ness, but rather it is an active responsiveness of all phenomena in relation to each other. The -ivity suffix of relativity treats relation as a verb, not a noun. What we observe is that in measurements where distance and time are precisely recorded, the classically held immutables of space and time actually bend and warp to reflect the presence of mass, gravity, and velocity. I think that this is what shocked the world about Einstein’s vision. He conceived that the metric itself, the abstract ‘rigid body’ of measurement which comprised the firmament of classical mechanics…that infinite set of Cartesian coordinates actually warped its contours around things, not the other way around. The plenum of space and time is only a measure of variations in scale and frequency among repeating effects that were happening to objects. The universe was not something happening in an empty box, it was boxing itself from the inside out. Special Relativity showed that the relativity of uniform motion observed by Galileo and the classical notion of invariant time had to be extended to accommodate the absoluteness of the speed of light. Einstein’s four dimensional space-time ‘mollusk’ describes what is understood to be an invariant space-time interval. Why is the speed of light absolute though? What mechanically makes time dilate or length contract? If my view is on the right track, the reason why the speed of light is absolute is because light is not a thing, it is the sensitivity of matter across its own created distance. The reason that Relativity works is because the universe makes sense of itself, and is ignorant of itself on every level. This is what relativity and perception are all about. It is interesting that the deepest truths of Einstein and the deepest truths of
Re: The stupid legacy of another crackpot, Roger Clough
On DDT, because it hasn't been used in Africa to supress the Anopholes misquito, millions have died. and yeah, Craig, it was to assuage Progressive's sensibilities, so we won't have a Silent Spring. It reminds me of Mao's Great Leap Forward from 1958-62 which caused a famine in China costing 36 million lives. Courtesy, the progressive policies of Mao. If you're going to own environmental safety, then you're going to own the failure of planning conducted by progressive orgs world-wide. This isn't a matter of opinion, its a matter of fact. So much for the scientific socialism that progressives have willingly inherited. Mitch -Original Message- From: Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, Aug 2, 2013 12:29 pm Subject: Re: The stupid legacy of another crackpot, Roger Clough No, it wuz the Libruls and their evil propaganda against delicious DDT. On Friday, August 2, 2013 1:35:31 AM UTC-4, freqflyer07281972 wrote: Because of Roger Clough, a less than mediocre Lutheran apologist who considers himself an astute interpreter of Leibniz, a formerly bright corner of the internet, the Everything List, has gone mostly dark due to the intellectual torpor and carelessness that seems to surround everything Clough says like the clouds of pestilence that surround the four horses of the apocalypse. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Roger is a rather lonely man who feels empty inside and yet also feels an irrational compulsion to flee this emptiness by trying hard to wrap it up in pseudo-profound mumbo jumbo and foist it on poor, unsuspecting readers of reading lists. RIP Everything List -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: The stupid legacy of another crackpot, Roger Clough
On Friday, August 2, 2013 12:47:27 PM UTC-4, spudb...@aol.com wrote: On DDT, because it hasn't been used in Africa to supress the Anopholes misquito, millions have died. and yeah, Craig, it was to assuage Progressive's sensibilities, so we won't have a Silent Spring. The information that you have been supplied with is false. It has been manufactured by paid right wing ideologues to generate fear and anger around environmental awareness. You will likely never be able to accept this, but it is true. This recent media blitz has not come from anyone who knows anything about DDT, or malaria, or Africa, but from Conservative/Libertarian think tanks which exist only to promote purely economic motives. http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/Bright-Green/2008/0527/smearing-rachel-carson Leading the charge against Carson is the Competitive Enterprise Institute, a Washington think tank dedicated to advancing the principles of free enterprise and limited government. The CEI maintains a site called Rachel Was Wrong, whose homepage reads, [T]oday millions of people around the world suffer the painful and often deadly effects of malaria because one person sounded a false alarm. That person is Rachel Carson. The site displays images of malaria's victims, mostly Ugandan children. If these outlets are to be believed, Rachel Carson should be placed in the same category as Stalin and Pol Pot (indeed, a reprint of the FrontPage article on Free Republic does just that). But fortunately for Carson's legacy, her detractors all overlook some crucial evidence exonerating her from the genocide rap. In fact, they're so important, I'll put them in bold: 'Silent Spring' never actually called for a ban on DDT. I'm not saying Carson was a fan of the stuff, but she didn't say that its use should be completely prohibited. Instead she favorably quotes a Dutch biologist who says Practical advice should be 'Spray as little as you possibly can' rather than 'Spray to the limit of your capacity' ... Pressure on the pest population should always be as slight as possible. DDT was never banned for use against malaria. You'd think all of her critics would have mentioned this, but no. Both the 1972 ban in the United States and the 2001 Stockholm Convention allow the pesticide for use in controlling insect-borne diseases. According to the New Scientist, each year about 1,000 tons of DDT are still released worldwide. Overuse of DDT makes insects resistant. Rachel Carson put it best when she wrote in Silent Spring: No responsible person contends that insect-borne disease should be ignored. The question that has now urgently presented itself is whether it is either wise or responsible to attack the problem by methods that are rapidly making it worse. The world has heard much of the triumphant war against disease through the control of insect vectors of infection, but it has heard little of the other side of the story – the defeats, the short-lived triumphs that now strongly support the alarming view that the insect enemy has been made actually stronger by our efforts. Even worse, we may have destroyed our very means of fighting. She was right. Already by 1972, when the US ban went into effect, 19 species of mosquitoes thought to transmit malaria were resistant to DDT. Had DDT not been banned, it is likely that there would be many, many more such species. To the extent that DDT works today, we have Rachel Carson to thank. DDT isn't always the best way to fight malaria. In 1991, Vietnam switched from a DDT-based campaign to one focusing on rapid treatment, mosquito nets, and a different type of insecticide. The World Health Organization reports that malaria fatalities dropped by 97 percent. Similar methods have reduced fatalities by 50 percent in Rwanda and Ethiopia. Reasonable people can disagree over how much of a toxic chemical is appropriate for trying to prevent a horrible disease. But if you're going to have a reasonable debate, then you need to acknowledge all the facts. http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2006/06/29/the-ddt-ban-myth-that-will-not/ This preoccupation with DDT, however, is largely a distraction. Environmental leaders now agree that the pesticide should be used to combat malaria; few nations in Africa ban it; and USAID has agreed to spray DDT in countries like Ethiopia and Mozambique. What’s more, DDT is no silver bullet. Malaria experts agree that it reduces transmission, but emphasize that it must be combined with other interventions, including ACT. The furor over DDT has undoubtedly hampered efforts to provide better access to antimalarial drugs. When another malaria expert met with Senate staffers to discuss malaria in 2004 and 2005, they badgered him about DDT. “I tried to explain the reality,” he says, “and people in the U.S. say ‘That’s not what I was told.’” “DDT has become a fetish,” adds Allan
Re: The stupid legacy of another crackpot, Roger Clough
Ha! This, coming from the crackpot's favorite sock puppet. Gotta say, after having followed this list for, oh, I don't know, about 5 years, I find it amusing that 'spudboy100' always seems to evince more or less the same 'views' as the crackpot, albeit in more watered down form (ya, I know, like things could be more watered down than the runny pablum that pours from Roger's mind, but whatever) It's kind of like reading Bishop Berkeley's Three Dialogues, but infinitely worse... On Friday, August 2, 2013 12:47:27 PM UTC-4, spudb...@aol.com wrote: On DDT, because it hasn't been used in Africa to supress the Anopholes misquito, millions have died. and yeah, Craig, it was to assuage Progressive's sensibilities, so we won't have a Silent Spring. It reminds me of Mao's Great Leap Forward from 1958-62 which caused a famine in China costing 36 million lives. Courtesy, the progressive policies of Mao. If you're going to own environmental safety, then you're going to own the failure of planning conducted by progressive orgs world-wide. This isn't a matter of opinion, its a matter of fact. So much for the scientific socialism that progressives have willingly inherited. Mitch -Original Message- From: Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: To: everything-list everyth...@googlegroups.com javascript: Sent: Fri, Aug 2, 2013 12:29 pm Subject: Re: The stupid legacy of another crackpot, Roger Clough No, it wuz the Libruls and their evil propaganda against delicious DDT. On Friday, August 2, 2013 1:35:31 AM UTC-4, freqflyer07281972 wrote: Because of Roger Clough, a less than mediocre Lutheran apologist who considers himself an astute interpreter of Leibniz, a formerly bright corner of the internet, the Everything List, has gone mostly dark due to the intellectual torpor and carelessness that seems to surround everything Clough says like the clouds of pestilence that surround the four horses of the apocalypse. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Roger is a rather lonely man who feels empty inside and yet also feels an irrational compulsion to flee this emptiness by trying hard to wrap it up in pseudo-profound mumbo jumbo and foist it on poor, unsuspecting readers of reading lists. RIP Everything List -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: The stupid legacy of another crackpot, Roger Clough
Still waiting for the prognosticator Roger to produce -- some actual peer reviewed cited work -- that provides some actual evidence to back up his ugly character assassination of Rachel Carlson and her most well known body of work. Roger has made the claim she made it all up about DDT -- show us how this is so Roger if you can? Me thinks I smell the sulphurous odor of a troll P.S. Been following this list off and on -- for around 5 or so years -- swing by this corner of the internets (thank you W for that gem) when I need my physics/philosophy fix and have enjoyed many of the threads on here (and learned a few things too) Hate to see it go downhill dragged into the gutter of talking point fixated fuax debate hell. What joy is there in that? What fruit can possibly be found there... in that barren thought free zone where discourse degenerates into LOUD shouting matches, parroting current party line talking points. Such grey tedium and stultifying oppressive boredom both suffocating and uninteresting at the same time, wrapped up delivered in the same over used ostentatiously angry accusatory blame the libtards faux noise speak that is the hallmark of this tiresome abuse of words language. From: Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 2, 2013 9:29 AM Subject: Re: The stupid legacy of another crackpot, Roger Clough No, it wuz the Libruls and their evil propaganda against delicious DDT. On Friday, August 2, 2013 1:35:31 AM UTC-4, freqflyer07281972 wrote: Because of Roger Clough, a less than mediocre Lutheran apologist who considers himself an astute interpreter of Leibniz, a formerly bright corner of the internet, the Everything List, has gone mostly dark due to the intellectual torpor and carelessness that seems to surround everything Clough says like the clouds of pestilence that surround the four horses of the apocalypse. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Roger is a rather lonely man who feels empty inside and yet also feels an irrational compulsion to flee this emptiness by trying hard to wrap it up in pseudo-profound mumbo jumbo and foist it on poor, unsuspecting readers of reading lists. RIP Everything List -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Why Roger Clough's Posts are impossible to understand without severe brain damage.
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Leibniz, Leibniz, Leibniz.... oh, and did I mention Leibniz? Oh, yah, and monads and monism.
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Re: The stupid legacy of another crackpot, Roger Clough
So progressives are now lumped together with Mao... in your brain so glad I do not have to live inside that place you call home. You are also wrong about why DDT spraying is no longer being used to control the Malaria mosquito (and other tropical disease spreading mosquito species). As has been amply pointed out, the driving factor in these decisions to stop using DDT, in cases where this has occurred, across both Asia, Africa and elsewhere, has, in fact, been the rapid rise of resistance to DDT in the targeted mosquito species. Perhaps rightwing nut jobs cannot seem to comprehend this rise in resistance because they -- emphatically -- do not believe in evolution and so find it difficult to understand how over the span of many generations, being slathered with a specific poisons a species will evolve a resistance. On Friday, August 2, 2013 12:47:27 PM UTC-4, spudb...@aol.com wrote: On DDT, because it hasn't been used in Africa to supress the Anopholes misquito, millions have died. and yeah, Craig, it was to assuage Progressive's sensibilities, so we won't have a Silent Spring. It reminds me of Mao's Great Leap Forward from 1958-62 which caused a famine in China costing 36 million lives. Courtesy, the progressive policies of Mao. If you're going to own environmental safety, then you're going to own the failure of planning conducted by progressive orgs world-wide. This isn't a matter of opinion, its a matter of fact. So much for the scientific socialism that progressives have willingly inherited. Mitch -Original Message- From: Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com To: everything-list everyth...@googlegroups. com Sent: Fri, Aug 2, 2013 12:29 pm Subject: Re: The stupid legacy of another crackpot, Roger Clough No, it wuz the Libruls and their evil propaganda against delicious DDT. On Friday, August 2, 2013 1:35:31 AM UTC-4, freqflyer07281972 wrote: Because of Roger Clough, a less than mediocre Lutheran apologist who considers himself an astute interpreter of Leibniz, a formerly bright corner of the internet, the Everything List, has gone mostly dark due to the intellectual torpor and carelessness that seems to surround everything Clough says like the clouds of pestilence that surround the four horses of the apocalypse. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Roger is a rather lonely man who feels empty inside and yet also feels an irrational compulsion to flee this emptiness by trying hard to wrap it up in pseudo-profound mumbo jumbo and foist it on poor, unsuspecting readers of reading lists. RIP Everything List -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-li...@ googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups. com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Why Roger Clough's Posts are impossible to understand without severe brain damage.
LOL thanks... Loved your description of Roger as well it gave me a good belly laugh From: Pierz pier...@gmail.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 2, 2013 2:43 PM Subject: Why Roger Clough's Posts are impossible to understand without severe brain damage. Haha! Priceless... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: The stupid legacy of another crackpot, Roger Clough
The video that I linked is a good debunk of al the Carson paranoia. By a known scientist, not an enemy of humanity or people´s enemy like me, well paid by the forces of Evil. I will add nothing more to this off topic 2013/8/2 Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com So progressives are now lumped together with Mao... in your brain so glad I do not have to live inside that place you call home. You are also wrong about why DDT spraying is no longer being used to control the Malaria mosquito (and other tropical disease spreading mosquito species). As has been amply pointed out, the driving factor in these decisions to stop using DDT, in cases where this has occurred, across both Asia, Africa and elsewhere, has, in fact, been the rapid rise of resistance to DDT in the targeted mosquito species. Perhaps rightwing nut jobs cannot seem to comprehend this rise in resistance because they -- emphatically -- do not believe in evolution and so find it difficult to understand how over the span of many generations, being slathered with a specific poisons a species will evolve a resistance. On Friday, August 2, 2013 12:47:27 PM UTC-4, spudb...@aol.com wrote: On DDT, because it hasn't been used in Africa to supress the Anopholes misquito, millions have died. and yeah, Craig, it was to assuage Progressive's sensibilities, so we won't have a Silent Spring. It reminds me of Mao's Great Leap Forward from 1958-62 which caused a famine in China costing 36 million lives. Courtesy, the progressive policies of Mao. If you're going to own environmental safety, then you're going to own the failure of planning conducted by progressive orgs world-wide. This isn't a matter of opinion, its a matter of fact. So much for the scientific socialism that progressives have willingly inherited. Mitch -Original Message- From: Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com To: everything-list everyth...@googlegroups. com Sent: Fri, Aug 2, 2013 12:29 pm Subject: Re: The stupid legacy of another crackpot, Roger Clough No, it wuz the Libruls and their evil propaganda against delicious DDT. On Friday, August 2, 2013 1:35:31 AM UTC-4, freqflyer07281972 wrote: Because of Roger Clough, a less than mediocre Lutheran apologist who considers himself an astute interpreter of Leibniz, a formerly bright corner of the internet, the Everything List, has gone mostly dark due to the intellectual torpor and carelessness that seems to surround everything Clough says like the clouds of pestilence that surround the four horses of the apocalypse. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Roger is a rather lonely man who feels empty inside and yet also feels an irrational compulsion to flee this emptiness by trying hard to wrap it up in pseudo-profound mumbo jumbo and foist it on poor, unsuspecting readers of reading lists. RIP Everything List -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-li...@ googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups. com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Waster of Time, Life, and Mind: Roger Clough
Clough could have done himself a favor by maybe thinking more and posting/talking less, or perhaps sharing his delusory thinking with a psychiatrist, rather than spewing it all over a mostly unmoderated internet reading list that he has ruined as a result. Crackpots seem often to be paranoid loners who are all to willing to waste everyone else's time on their own half-baked nonsense. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: The stupid legacy of another crackpot, Roger Clough
Hi Alberto A video of one man questioning Carson's conclusions doesnt support the claim she fabricated evidence. All it does is show that some scientists disagree with her results. Not unusual in science. Of course sceptics will argue evironmentalism is politicised science. Given that most of the evidence counters the sceptic he has no where else to run and has to resort to political name calling. Its an attempt by the sceptic to divert the debate away from the science. By the way, Michael Crichton, the man whose video you turn to, was a liberal. You know that, right? Attacking liberals whilst depending on them isnt a good look. --- Original Message --- From: Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com Sent: 3 August 2013 8:16 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The stupid legacy of another crackpot, Roger Clough The video that I linked is a good debunk of al the Carson paranoia. By a known scientist, not an enemy of humanity or people´s enemy like me, well paid by the forces of Evil. I will add nothing more to this off topic 2013/8/2 Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com So progressives are now lumped together with Mao... in your brain so glad I do not have to live inside that place you call home. You are also wrong about why DDT spraying is no longer being used to control the Malaria mosquito (and other tropical disease spreading mosquito species). As has been amply pointed out, the driving factor in these decisions to stop using DDT, in cases where this has occurred, across both Asia, Africa and elsewhere, has, in fact, been the rapid rise of resistance to DDT in the targeted mosquito species. Perhaps rightwing nut jobs cannot seem to comprehend this rise in resistance because they -- emphatically -- do not believe in evolution and so find it difficult to understand how over the span of many generations, being slathered with a specific poisons a species will evolve a resistance. On Friday, August 2, 2013 12:47:27 PM UTC-4, spudb...@aol.com wrote: On DDT, because it hasn't been used in Africa to supress the Anopholes misquito, millions have died. and yeah, Craig, it was to assuage Progressive's sensibilities, so we won't have a Silent Spring. It reminds me of Mao's Great Leap Forward from 1958-62 which caused a famine in China costing 36 million lives. Courtesy, the progressive policies of Mao. If you're going to own environmental safety, then you're going to own the failure of planning conducted by progressive orgs world-wide. This isn't a matter of opinion, its a matter of fact. So much for the scientific socialism that progressives have willingly inherited. Mitch -Original Message- From: Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com To: everything-list everyth...@googlegroups. com Sent: Fri, Aug 2, 2013 12:29 pm Subject: Re: The stupid legacy of another crackpot, Roger Clough No, it wuz the Libruls and their evil propaganda against delicious DDT. On Friday, August 2, 2013 1:35:31 AM UTC-4, freqflyer07281972 wrote: Because of Roger Clough, a less than mediocre Lutheran apologist who considers himself an astute interpreter of Leibniz, a formerly bright corner of the internet, the Everything List, has gone mostly dark due to the intellectual torpor and carelessness that seems to surround everything Clough says like the clouds of pestilence that surround the four horses of the apocalypse. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Roger is a rather lonely man who feels empty inside and yet also feels an irrational compulsion to flee this emptiness by trying hard to wrap it up in pseudo-profound mumbo jumbo and foist it on poor, unsuspecting readers of reading lists. RIP Everything List -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-li...@ googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups. com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For
Re: The stupid legacy of another crackpot, Roger Clough
On 8/2/2013 5:27 PM, chris peck wrote: By the way, Michael Crichton, the man whose video you turn to, was a liberal. You know that, right? He's a global warming denier. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: The stupid legacy of another crackpot, Roger Clough
Yep. He was. --- Original Message --- From: meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net Sent: 3 August 2013 2:44 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The stupid legacy of another crackpot, Roger Clough On 8/2/2013 5:27 PM, chris peck wrote: By the way, Michael Crichton, the man whose video you turn to, was a liberal. You know that, right? He's a global warming denier. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
