Some questions on ontology of dreams

2015-09-20 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Sunday, 20 September 2015, Brian Tenneson wrote: > I wonder what would happen to someone's mind if they were born in a white > (or any color) isolation tank. What would happen as years wore on? Would > the person ever hallucinate anything? It has only seen the tank for his > whole life. So wha

Re: Some questions on ontology of dreams

2015-09-20 Thread Brent Meeker
If you raise kittens in complete darkness for a few weeks they never develop vision. I don't think people who are born blind hallucinate visions. Those are couple of data points. I suspect that if a person were to grow up without any sensory input, or extremely impoverished ones, they would

Re: 1P/3P CONFUSION again and again

2015-09-20 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at Bruno Marchal wrote: ​> ​ > Yes, arithmetic can simulates a Turing machine, > ​Arithmetic can't simulate anything unless it has access to something physical like a biological brain or a electronic microprocessor. ​ > ​> ​ > But a primary physical reality, well I have

Re: Some questions on ontology of dreams

2015-09-20 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Brian, That's an interesting question. My take is this: I think trying to understand that experience is like trying to understand what it feels like to be an amoeba. It's just too alien. We have some clues. For example, it is known that if children don't learn a language until a certain age, t

Some questions on ontology of dreams

2015-09-20 Thread Brian Tenneson
I wonder what would happen to someone's mind if they were born in a white (or any color) isolation tank. What would happen as years wore on? Would the person ever hallucinate anything? It has only seen the tank for his whole life. So what would inspire him to hallucinate something? Can he hallucina

Re: Could we live forever?

2015-09-20 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 Bruno Marchal wrote: ​ >> ​>> ​ >> You need to know how generic atoms should be placed in relation to other >> ​generic atoms. > > ​> ​ > That is a low level, > ​Yes a very low level, probably much lower than necessary; the molecular level would be more than enough, maybe

Re: A scary theory about IS

2015-09-20 Thread John Mikes
Brent, you wrote: *...You also need such an organization to say who owns what and who has violated a contract and who has committed murder and who has committed fraud, etc.Brent...* would you please write your OWN* Bible*? a* "Noch Nie Dagewesene"*? (one that so far never existed here-around) JM

Re: 1P/3P CONFUSION again and again

2015-09-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Sep 2015, at 03:17, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 , Bruno Marchal wrote: ​​>> ​Theorems don't make calculations, physical microprocessor chips do.​ ​> ​Physical computer are implementation, in the math sense, of turing universality by physical devices. ​What makes you s

Re: Could we live forever?

2015-09-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 Sep 2015, at 19:41, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 Bruno Marchal wrote: ​> ​You need an infinitely expanding brain to live an eternity, if not, you will cycle. ​To prevent cycling a mind wouldn't need to be infinite just unlimited, whenever you start to run low you just a

Re: A scary theory about IS

2015-09-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 Sep 2015, at 21:16, John Mikes wrote: Bruno, even before (your?) prohibition-S there was some capitalistic system in the US, leading to inequality and injustice in the economical status of the population. I am not talking Marxism. The diverse prohibition-S (and other installments) j