On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yes, arithmetic can simulates a Turing machine, >
Arithmetic can't simulate anything unless it has access to something physical like a biological brain or a electronic microprocessor. > > > But a primary physical reality, well I have already not much clue what > that can be, > It means physics is the most fundamental science and mathematics is just a tool humans have invented to help them figure out how nature in general and physics in particular works; I'm not saying that it true, I don't know if it is or not, I'm just saying that's what it means. > > > if quantum field theory is correct, it is an analog imitation of the > digital. > The first word of the name should have tipped you off, if *QUANTUM * field theory is correct then nothing is analog. > > > You need to make precise your theory of primary matter to proof that it > can emulates all computations, > I'm just playing devil's advocate , unlike you I don't claim to have proven anything . I don't know if math or physics is more fundamental; you don't know either but you think you do. > > >> >> >> >> Physical water, like any physical stuff does not rely on one >> computations, but on an infinity of them, >> > > > >> > Nobody knows if that is true or not, maybe only an astronomical number of > calculations would be required to perfectly simulate water, but if you're > right and a infinite amount of mathematics would be required to do what > just a small amount of matter can do so effortlessly then it's game over > and physics is more fundamental than mathematics, and mathematical models > can never be more than just approximations of the real deal. > > > > > Not at all, as this is *derived* without any phsyical assumption > You just assumed that any finite amount of mathematics can only approximate what matter does. So how can mathematics be more fundamental? John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
