Re: Will computationalism be refuted?

2017-10-09 Thread Terren Suydam
On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 10:24 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 9:30 PM, Terren Suydam > wrote: > > ​> ​ >> What's an example of a mind that *is* a system of parts working together? >> > > ​My brain. > I'm a little surprised I need to

Re: Will computationalism be refuted?

2017-10-09 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 9:30 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: ​> ​ > What's an example of a mind that *is* a system of parts working together? > ​My brain. John K Clark​ > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List"

Re: Will computationalism be refuted?

2017-10-09 Thread Terren Suydam
On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 5:08 PM, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 Terren Suydam wrote: > > >> ​>> ​ >>> ​I did not asked for a goddam theory, I asked for an example, an >>> example of a mind that does not involve a system of parts working

Re: Will computationalism be refuted?

2017-10-09 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 Terren Suydam wrote: > ​>> ​ >> ​I did not asked for a goddam theory, I asked for an example, an example >> of a mind that does not involve a system of parts working together. And you >> can provide no such example because none exists. >> > > ​> ​ >

Re: Will computationalism be refuted?

2017-10-09 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 8:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​> ​ > John, just tell us what a computationalist can expect to live from the > first person pov when undergoing a duplication. > ​Bruno, I can expect nothing from gibberish until you tell me what my "*THE* ​ first person

Re: Maudlin's Computation and Consciousness

2017-10-09 Thread Brent Meeker
On 10/9/2017 6:29 AM, David Nyman wrote: On 5 October 2017 at 16:06, Bruno Marchal > wrote: On 05 Oct 2017, at 16:02, David Nyman wrote: On 5 October 2017 at 13:50, Bruno Marchal > wrote:

Re: Will computationalism be refuted?

2017-10-09 Thread Terren Suydam
On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 1:28 PM, John Clark wrote: > ​I did not asked for a goddam theory, I asked for an example, an example > of a mind that does not involve a system of parts working together. And you > can provide no such example because none exists. > > How do you know?

Re: Maudlin's Computation and Consciousness

2017-10-09 Thread David Nyman
On 9 October 2017 at 16:12, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 09 Oct 2017, at 15:29, David Nyman wrote: > > On 5 October 2017 at 16:06, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 05 Oct 2017, at 16:02, David Nyman wrote: >> >> On 5 October 2017 at 13:50, Bruno Marchal

Re: Maudlin's Computation and Consciousness

2017-10-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Oct 2017, at 15:29, David Nyman wrote: On 5 October 2017 at 16:06, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 Oct 2017, at 16:02, David Nyman wrote: On 5 October 2017 at 13:50, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Oct 2017, at 15:07, David Nyman wrote: On 2 Oct 2017

Re: Will computationalism be refuted?

2017-10-09 Thread Telmo Menezes
Spoiler alert: John will not answer this question directly. Instead we will play with words and/or insult you. He will most definitely not consider the experience from the first person, or even acknowledge that such a thing is possible -- even though he has never experienced reality from any other

Re: Maudlin's Computation and Consciousness

2017-10-09 Thread David Nyman
On 5 October 2017 at 16:06, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 05 Oct 2017, at 16:02, David Nyman wrote: > > On 5 October 2017 at 13:50, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 02 Oct 2017, at 15:07, David Nyman wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2 Oct 2017 1:58 p.m., "Bruno Marchal"

Re: Will computationalism be refuted?

2017-10-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
John, just tell us what a computationalist can expect to live from the first person pov when undergoing a duplication. Below are only distracting play-words. Bruno On 08 Oct 2017, at 19:28, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: