Re: Interested in thoughts on this excerpt from Martin Rees

[C. W.]

Hi, Bruno,

Sorry for my na鴳e question.
Common people would think that UDA is just imagination since you use the 
teleportation
example and teleportation of human beings is still a science fiction.
Nobody can show that the substitution level really exists and teleportation 
of human beings is really workable.
I really wonder if it's OK to use teleportation as thought experiment.

Thanks.

WC.

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Le 26-juil.-06, ?13:34, Russell Standish wrote :

>
> Yes, although you do have a different perception of theology to Rees,
> and indeed practically all other scientists I know of. I won't comment
> on theologians of course, I don't really know any all that well.
>
> Not to say your perception is wrong, but it will take a Herculean
> effort to get other to think along your lines.

All what I say is that IF we assume the Comp Hypothesis then there is 
no choice in the matter.
I have already done the Herculean effort under the UDA. I don't think 
there is problem with that. Even in this list, if you look carefully, 
critics always converge toward a critics of COMP, not of the reasoning. 
I would say in the average 50% of those who really doesn't like the 
idea of the reversal Physics/psycho-bio-theo-logy-number-theory will 
criticize the "yes" doctor or the Arithmetical realism (until they see 
what I mean by it). I have never met a critics of Church thesis, except 
the physicalist reinterpretation done by David Deutsch (which does not 
work).
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Re: Bruno's argument

[C. W.]

Hi, Stathis, Brent,

In multiverses, I think it's possible to say there exists one universe 
which could include 
only one (super) being with nothing else.
I mean this (super) being is the universe itself.
So this super being knows everything right at the beginning of this 
universe.
No need and not possible for this being to interact with other things 
(either living or non-living) because
this being is the only thing in its universe. It doesn't need to do 
anything except thinking (or dreaming) itself.
Maybe this being has the memories of the entire histories of other universe 
(such as the one with the earth).
So this being just thinks always and feels not boring. I think it's 
meaningful although I can't observe it.

Thanks.

WC.

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Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
> Brent Meeker writes:
> 
> 
>>I don't think "intelligence" is meaningful without an environment with 
>>which it can interact.  The same for computation: what distinguishes 
>>computation and noise is a context in which it interacts with its 
>>environment.
> 
> 
> What about an intelligent, conscious being spending its time dreaming?
> 
> Stathis Papaioannou

You're hypothesizing an intelligent being and then asking me if it's 
intelligent??

It a computatation only "dreams" then how could you know whether it was 
intelligence, or just noise?

Brent Meeker

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