Re: Arguably The World's Greatest Woman

2009-11-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 15 Nov 2009, at 04:48, Brent Meeker wrote: Science is neutral in the sense that science doesn't care what reality is, Fundamental science does care on what really is. But it is admitted by serious inquirer that there are alternative theories. but science assumes that there is enough

Re: Arguably The World's Greatest Woman

2009-11-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Nov 2009, at 01:33, Brent Meeker wrote: Why should we use the term God in the sense of those who clearly have confused science with temporal authoritative argument? Because that's what most people who use the term mean. And if we tell them we're agnostic about God Who them? Which

Re: Arguably The World's Greatest Woman

2009-11-14 Thread John Mikes
Bruno, you navigate into perillous waters. Your statements are extremely smart and applicable - to a certain limit, at which they vanish into undecidedness. You chose arithmetic thinking as your anchor to firmness - it is your choice and it works for you. It does not work for me: I am still in

Re: Arguably The World's Greatest Woman

2009-11-14 Thread Brent Meeker
Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Nov 2009, at 01:33, Brent Meeker wrote: Why should we use the term God in the sense of those who clearly have confused science with temporal authoritative argument? Because that's what most people who use the term mean. And if we tell them we're agnostic about

Re: Arguably The World's Greatest Woman

2009-11-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Nov 2009, at 22:33, Brent Meeker wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Nov 2009, at 01:33, Brent Meeker wrote: Why should we use the term God in the sense of those who clearly have confused science with temporal authoritative argument? Because that's what most people who use the term

Re: Arguably The World's Greatest Woman

2009-11-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Nov 2009, at 17:48, John Mikes wrote: Bruno, you navigate into perillous waters. I know, but that is the fun. Life and everything interesting apperas on the border of the non controlable. Your statements are extremely smart and applicable - to a certain limit, at which they

Re: Arguably The World's Greatest Woman

2009-11-14 Thread Brent Meeker
Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Nov 2009, at 22:33, Brent Meeker wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Nov 2009, at 01:33, Brent Meeker wrote: Why should we use the term God in the sense of those who clearly have confused science with temporal authoritative argument?

Arguably The World's Greatest Woman

2009-11-13 Thread Kim Jones
http://c0116791.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/Carolyn-AAI09-720-web.mov Carolyn Porco - the genius behind the Cassini mission. My favourite female on the planet. If you ever read Carl Sagan's only novel Contact (or saw the movie) - this is the person on whom Sagan modelled Ellie Arroway

Re: Arguably The World's Greatest Woman

2009-11-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Kim, Thank you very luch for the link to Carolyn Porco's presentation. Very nice talk. I appreciate a lot. She is correct (even comp-correct) on the main thing: Science is agnostic. I believe in God (Bg) is a religious statement. (B = I believe, g = 'God' exists, ~ = negation) But

Re: Arguably The World's Greatest Woman

2009-11-13 Thread Brent Meeker
Bruno Marchal wrote: Hi Kim, Thank you very luch for the link to Carolyn Porco's presentation. Very nice talk. I appreciate a lot. She is correct (even comp-correct) on the main thing: Science is agnostic. "I believe in God" (Bg) is a religious statement. (B = I

Re: Arguably The World's Greatest Woman

2009-11-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Nov 2009, at 21:01, Brent Meeker wrote: I used to tell people who asked that I was an agnostic. But the trouble with that was that they supposed I was uncertain about the existence of *their* god: a supernatural immortal agent would loved us but had an obsessive interest in our

Re: Arguably The World's Greatest Woman

2009-11-13 Thread Brent Meeker
Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Nov 2009, at 21:01, Brent Meeker wrote: I used to tell people who asked that I was an agnostic. But the trouble with that was that they supposed I was uncertain about the existence of *their* god: a supernatural immortal agent would loved us but had an