Re: Interesting talk about how our minds shape our perception of reality

2007-06-02 Thread Mohsen Ravanbakhsh
I haven't seen the video yet, but I guess what you said are the words of
mysterians.
They believe that we can not solve some problems at all (mainly the
mind-body problem), as if it's like teaching quantum physics to monkeys.
You'd not accomplish that, because they're incapable of understanding it.
They say we are like monkeys in confronting some mysteries of the world,
some problem are beyond our capability to solve.
and... I don't want to be a monkey!


On 5/31/07, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I came across this speech given by Richard Dawkins which I found quite
 interesting, he ponders whether or not there are some elements of
 reality so strange that they are ungraspable by any mind.  This
 reminded me of Bruno's categorization of the knowable, provable,
 believable, etc.

 Another part I found interesting was his ideas of how other animal's
 brains might represent reality, and discusses bats seeing colors with
 their ears, or dogs being able to judge the size of molecules they
 smell.

 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6308228560462155344

 Jason


 



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Re: Interesting talk about how our minds shape our perception of reality

2007-06-02 Thread Brent Meeker

Mohsen Ravanbakhsh wrote:
 I haven't seen the video yet, but I guess what you said are the words of 
 mysterians.
 They believe that we can not solve some problems at all (mainly the 
 mind-body problem), as if it's like teaching quantum physics to monkeys. 
 You'd not accomplish that, because they're incapable of understanding 
 it. They say we are like monkeys in confronting some mysteries of the 
 world, some problem are beyond our capability to solve.
 and... I don't want to be a monkey!

Maybe monkeys don't want to be monkey's too.  I don't want to die, but that 
seems to have little effect on the universe.

But I think you can argue that humans are capable (at least in principle) of 
universal computation, so any understanding realizable as computation should be 
within our grasp.

Brent Meeker


 
  
 On 5/31/07, *Jason* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
 
 I came across this speech given by Richard Dawkins which I found quite
 interesting, he ponders whether or not there are some elements of
 reality so strange that they are ungraspable by any mind.  This
 reminded me of Bruno's categorization of the knowable, provable,
 believable, etc.
 
 Another part I found interesting was his ideas of how other animal's
 brains might represent reality, and discusses bats seeing colors with
 their ears, or dogs being able to judge the size of molecules they
 smell.
 
 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6308228560462155344
 
 Jason
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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