Re: Why machines can't be alive
On Sep 11, 2012, at 10:03 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Jason Resch Does the computer have the asbility to convert entropy into energy ? That's a fundamental requirement for life. I know of no life form that does this, unless you are viewing them going backwards through time. And life must be free to do what it wants, which I don't think computers can. Why not? The key word here is autonomy. Self-caused, self-determined, meaning a self is also needed. Who was choosing the categories in Watson's jeapordy game? Only living things have selves of whatever type for governance. Even a daisy. A daisy is a machine, albeit a very complicated nano-engineered one. Also, those properties are all inextended so they cannot be manipulated by physical devices. Look up the experiments of Jose Delgado. He manipulated the self's goverance with a remote control, and even trained monkeys to manipulate others using the remote control. Jason Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/11/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Jason Resch Receiver: everything-list@googlegroups.com Time: 2012-09-11, 10:47:29 Subject: Re: victims of faith On Sep 11, 2012, at 8:56 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Jason Resch What do we have that machines don't ? Intelligence, consciousnness, awareness. feelings-- in short, we have life, machines don't Why do you belive no machine can have these properties? Jason Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/11/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Jason Resch Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-11, 09:04:05 Subject: Re: Re: victims of faith On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Alberto G. Corona Religious communion with God and prayer are transcendental so not computable. Even those of the past who looked down on the barbaric and uncivilized native people believed they could be converted and saved. You profess that androids (like Data in star trek) is at an even lower place (than those who looked down on foreigners). What do we have that machines don't? We are all quarks and electrons, so what magic are the machines missing? Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything- l...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything- l...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Why machines can't be alive
The current USA space-based ICBM defense system (on paper) consists of autonomous kill vehicles separately orbiting the earth (10,000 of them). Each KV decides if an *ICBM has launched and they divert from orbit to hit the ICBM before burn-out. Canavan and Teller in vented that system in response to the inherent vulnerability of placing the KVs on an orbiting platform. These space robots are pre-determined to respond when conditions are approperiate. So they cannot do anything they want. But of course a soldier also cannot. I think this may be an appropriate post for 9/11/12. Richard On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Jason Resch Does the computer have the asbility to convert entropy into energy ? That's a fundamental requirement for life. And life must be free to do what it wants, which I don't think computers can. The key word here is autonomy. Self-caused, self-determined, meaning a self is also needed. Only living things have selves of whatever type for governance. Even a daisy. Also, those properties are all inextended so they cannot be manipulated by physical devices. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/11/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Jason Resch Receiver: everything-list@googlegroups.com Time: 2012-09-11, 10:47:29 Subject: Re: victims of faith On Sep 11, 2012, at 8:56 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Jason Resch What do we have that machines don't ? Intelligence, consciousnness, awareness. feelings-- in short, we have life, machines don't Why do you belive no machine can have these properties? Jason Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/11/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Jason Resch Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-11, 09:04:05 Subject: Re: Re: victims of faith On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Alberto G. Corona Religious communion with God and prayer are transcendental so not computable. Even those of the past who looked down on the barbaric and uncivilized native people believed they could be converted and saved. You profess that androids (like Data in star trek) is at an even lower place (than those who looked down on foreigners). What do we have that machines don't? We are all quarks and electrons, so what magic are the machines missing? Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
