On 16 Jun 2015, at 00:50, meekerdb wrote:
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On 11 Jun 2015, at 01:21, meekerdb wrote:
On 6/10/2015 4:06 PM, LizR wrote:
On 11 June 2015 at 06:26, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
A human is an ape which torture other apes.
Not just torture but
On 10 Jun 2015, at 20:26, meekerdb wrote:
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On 11 June 2015 at 06:26, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
A human is an ape which torture other apes.
Not just torture but also eliminate, e.g. homo erectus, homo
neaderthalis,... It's called evolution.
You
On 11 June 2015 at 16:03, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
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On 11 June 2015 at 06:26, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
A human is an ape which
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A human is an ape which torture other apes.
Not just torture but also
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 spudboy100 via Everything List
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Meh! I have read that some theorists now predict that dark whatever will
cause a new contraction and that this is already occuring. Its the sort of
thing that gets mentioned in ARIXV, and physorg.
as a pancake, whatever. And no, you need not agree, but for me it seems
apparent. You?
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Now youare talking of Tipler's Omega Point. A usable theory when
combined
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Dark energy and matter have predicted by some physicists and astronomers
to call the expansion to reverse.
I don't know what you're talking about. Dark Energy is causing the
universe's expansion to
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On 12 June 2015 at 14:19, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 spudboy100 via Everything List
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Dark energy and matter have predicted by some physicists and astronomers
to call the expansion to reverse.
I don't know what
never seen
before, awaiting the scientist.
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On 6/11/2015 10:47 AM, John Clark wrote
On 12 June 2015 at 07:10, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
Not that I put in credence in Tipler's speculations.
They seem to be based on a comp1 style idea, namely that consciousness is
generated by computation and that recreating the computation would
effectively resurrect that person. I
On 10 Jun 2015, at 01:40, LizR wrote:
On 10 June 2015 at 11:38, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
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Super-intelligence is more resilient
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The normal answer to this is as stated - a superintelligence may form, as
per various
intelligence and self-sampling
From a quantum immortality perspective, I think if a superintelligence was
merging lots of intelligences, including yours, you find yourself in
increasingly unlikely situations where you were able to escape being merged
with the superintelligence. Eventually, against
need not agree,
but for me it seems apparent. You?
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On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 spudboy100 via Everything List
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Now you are talking of Tipler's Omega Point. A usable theory when
combined with MWI, which Tipler supports.
Tipler's idea of the Omega Point was interesting in 1993 when he introduced
the idea, but
On 6/10/2015 7:44 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
For the purpose of this discussion, I would say that you would only have to grant that
there is some utility function that captures chances of survival. Then,
super-intelligence is something that can optimize this function beyond what human
On 10 June 2015 at 19:05, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
Do biological species follow a power law distribution?
I don't know, but I imagine so - there are generally a lot more of the
smaller ones.
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On 11 June 2015 at 07:21, spudboy100 via Everything List
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Yes, but there have been so much counter examples for the 1997 WMAP
analysis that Tipler may end up correct. I am talking about the accelerated
expansion reversing, I hold computer theory as
On 11 June 2015 at 10:45, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 6/10/2015 7:44 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
For the purpose of this discussion, I would say that you would only have
to grant that there is some utility function that captures chances of
survival. Then, super-intelligence is
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:04:47AM +1200, LizR wrote:
On 10 June 2015 at 19:05, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
Do biological species follow a power law distribution?
I don't know, but I imagine so - there are generally a lot more of the
smaller ones.
I don't have
On 11 June 2015 at 06:26, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
A human is an ape which torture other apes.
Not just torture but also eliminate, e.g. homo erectus, homo
neaderthalis,... It's called evolution.
You sound like you're in favour.
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On 11 June 2015 at 06:26, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
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A human is an ape which torture other apes.
Not just torture but also eliminate, e.g. homo erectus, homo
neaderthalis,... It's
called evolution.
You
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A human is an ape
Hi everyone,
Something I have been thinking about. I start with two assumptions:
- Super-intelligence is more resilient than human intelligence, so it is
likely to last longer (e.g. it is more likely to be able to anticipate
existencial threats and prepare accordingly; it is more likely to
Perhaps most superintelligences end up merging into one super-ego, so that
their measure effectively becomes zero.
Terren
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Hi everyone,
Something I have been thinking about. I start with two assumptions:
-
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On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Terren Suydam terren.suy...@gmail.com
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Perhaps most superintelligences end up merging into one super-ego, so
that their measure effectively becomes zero.
Perhaps, but I'm
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Terren Suydam terren.suy...@gmail.com
wrote:
Perhaps most superintelligences end up merging into one super-ego, so that
their measure effectively becomes zero.
Perhaps, but I'm not convinced that this would reduce its measure. Consider
the fact that you are no
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
Super-intelligence is more resilient than human intelligence, so it is
likely to last longer
Maybe, but I note that smarter than average humans seem to have higher than
average rates of suicide too. Mathematicians kill themselves
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:15 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
Super-intelligence is more resilient than human intelligence, so it is
likely to last longer
Maybe, but I note that smarter than average humans seem to
The normal answer to this is as stated - a superintelligence may form, as
per various Arthur C Clark (or Olaf Stapledon, really) stories, by merging
lots of non-super intelligences. So the chances of finding yourself
non-super is vastly greater, because it takes billions of us to make one of
them.
On 10 June 2015 at 11:39, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote:
On 10 June 2015 at 08:37, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
The normal answer to this is as stated - a superintelligence may form, as
per various Arthur C Clark (or Olaf Stapledon, really) stories, by merging
lots of
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 09:39:37AM +1000, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 10 June 2015 at 08:37, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
The normal answer to this is as stated - a superintelligence may form, as
per various Arthur C Clark (or Olaf Stapledon, really) stories, by merging
lots of
I was close :)
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On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 7:33 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On 10 June 2015 at 11:15, Terren Suydam terren.suy...@gmail.com wrote:
From a quantum immortality perspective, I think if a superintelligence
was merging lots of intelligences, including yours, you find yourself in
increasingly
On 10 June 2015 at 08:37, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
The normal answer to this is as stated - a superintelligence may form, as
per various Arthur C Clark (or Olaf Stapledon, really) stories, by merging
lots of non-super intelligences. So the chances of finding yourself
non-super is vastly
On 10 June 2015 at 11:38, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 6/9/2015 2:25 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:15 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
Super-intelligence is more resilient than
From a quantum immortality perspective, I think if a superintelligence was
merging lots of intelligences, including yours, you find yourself in
increasingly unlikely situations where you were able to escape being merged
with the superintelligence. Eventually, against all odds, you might be the
On 10 June 2015 at 11:15, Terren Suydam terren.suy...@gmail.com wrote:
From a quantum immortality perspective, I think if a superintelligence was
merging lots of intelligences, including yours, you find yourself in
increasingly unlikely situations where you were able to escape being merged
On 6/9/2015 2:25 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:15 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com
mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com
mailto:te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
Super-intelligence is more resilient
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On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Terren Suydam
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Perhaps most superintelligences end up merging into one
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