Re: Carlo Rovelli on the relational interpretation of QM

2020-09-29 Thread Lawrence Crowell


This is a ψ-epistemic interpretation. It considers all systems as quantum 
mechanical. In that setting all systems can be needle states  or observers. 
This will then mean a system of observers are on different paths or 
amplitudes and do not share the same outcome. This is somewhat related to 
Qbism, where different observers may have different Bayesian regressions or 
a sequence of measurements. This has some interesting prospects for quantum 
complexity, where a state |A〉 = H_1H_2...H_n|B〉 for a sequence of Hadamard 
gates. This defines the complexity C(A,B) as a path or geodesic. The Wigner 
friend issue means there can be an ambiguity over which path is extremizes 
the complexity.

This has a weak effect on the macroscopic world. As Heisenberg pointed out 
there is no sharp boundary between the quantum and classical domains. There 
is no matter how much we might object some quantum uncertain fuzz around 
classical reality. This means we could find some irreducible errors in 
needle states for qubit systems that approach the mesoscopic domain. These 
irreducible errors may reflects some tiny level of this epistemic 
uncertainty between observer's account of reality.
LC

On Saturday, September 26, 2020 at 10:23:44 PM UTC-5 Bruce wrote:

> This is a video of a short talk Carlo Rovelli gave on the Relational 
> Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics (RQM)
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syb3WfSGRoE
>
>
> A more detailed account is given in this paper from a Royal Society 
> meeting:
>
> arXiv:1712.02894v5
>
>
> Rovelli's RQM is an interesting alternative perspective -- similar to 
> QBism, but without the extreme instrumentalism of that approach. I think 
> that RQM contains some interesting insights, in particular, the 
> rejection of "object realism" about the Schrodinger wave function. 
> Following Dirac and Heisenberg, Rovelli thinks that the Schrodinger 
> equation is an essentially misleading attempt to render the discreteness 
> of the quantum in terms of a continuous wave.  At best, the wave 
> function is simply a book-keeping device, keeping records of past 
> interactions.
>
> I go along with much of this -- it is certainly better than QBism in 
> that it retains a viable form of realism -- but Rovelli comes seriously 
> unstuck when he attempts to give a fully local account of the EPR 
> correlations...
>
> arXiv:quant-ph/0604064v3
>
> Bruce
>
>

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Carlo Rovelli on the relational interpretation of QM

2020-09-26 Thread Bruce Kellett
This is a video of a short talk Carlo Rovelli gave on the Relational 
Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics (RQM)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syb3WfSGRoE


A more detailed account is given in this paper from a Royal Society meeting:

arXiv:1712.02894v5


Rovelli's RQM is an interesting alternative perspective -- similar to 
QBism, but without the extreme instrumentalism of that approach. I think 
that RQM contains some interesting insights, in particular, the 
rejection of "object realism" about the Schrodinger wave function. 
Following Dirac and Heisenberg, Rovelli thinks that the Schrodinger 
equation is an essentially misleading attempt to render the discreteness 
of the quantum in terms of a continuous wave.  At best, the wave 
function is simply a book-keeping device, keeping records of past 
interactions.


I go along with much of this -- it is certainly better than QBism in 
that it retains a viable form of realism -- but Rovelli comes seriously 
unstuck when he attempts to give a fully local account of the EPR 
correlations...


arXiv:quant-ph/0604064v3

Bruce

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