Re: KIM 1 (was: Lost and not lost 1)

2008-12-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
Anna, Searching for "essentialism" on the net I see many contradictory definitions. I should perhaps say that my use is a bit nearer to the Merriam-Webster dictionary... http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/essentialism ... than to the Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esse

Re: KIM 1 (was: Lost and not lost 1)

2008-12-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Anna, Le 14-déc.-08, à 03:30, A. Wolf a écrit : > > One of the reasons I rarely post to this list is that many people here > seem trapped in an eternal series of meaningless essentialistic > debates. I have already commented this, and I realize I have, more or less consciously, associated

Re: KIM 1 (was: Lost and not lost 1)

2008-12-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Kim, On 13 Dec 2008, at 02:27, Kim Jones wrote: > Isn't it great that we may soon be able to capture the soul to > disk You could have a Catholic soul, try an Islamic soul, reboot > as a Buddhist - any religion you want I am not sure someone will say yes to a doctor who propose an

Re: KIM 1 (was: Lost and not lost 1)

2008-12-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Dec 2008, at 23:38, ronaldheld wrote: > > Bruno: > I am uncertain that this was answered. > You are starting with mathematics, Not really. I am starting with the "real world". I assume you have a brain disease and that your doctor proposed to you an artificial digital, supposedly ma

Re: KIM 1 (was: Lost and not lost 1)

2008-12-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Dec 2008, at 18:27, John Mikes wrote: > Bruno wrote: > > "...I am not my body - I am not my brain -- > I can change everything and anything I want about me and still > remain me ergo "I" am an immaterial something: probably a number or > a very long bitstring which can, like any data,

Re: KIM 1 (was: Lost and not lost 1)

2008-12-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Dec 2008, at 03:30, A. Wolf wrote: > > One of the reasons I rarely post to this list is that many people here > seem trapped in an eternal series of meaningless essentialistic > debates. Who ? Where ? How? (I hope you are alluding to the materialists here). > Nothing objective or con

Re: KIM 1 (was: Lost and not lost 1)

2008-12-13 Thread Kim Jones
Blame me if you want... I'm just trying to see whether the exposition can be made with a good deal less number-spinning Truth is, most people - given the choice - would probably prefer to avoid language pretty much all together - for the dangers you so aptly characterise Language is a bag o

Re: KIM 1 (was: Lost and not lost 1)

2008-12-13 Thread A. Wolf
One of the reasons I rarely post to this list is that many people here seem trapped in an eternal series of meaningless essentialistic debates. Nothing objective or conclusive ever comes from essentialistic arguments where people bicker over what some word or concept "really means". Science used

Re: KIM 1 (was: Lost and not lost 1)

2008-12-13 Thread John Mikes
Bruno wrote: "...I am not my body - I am not my brain -- I can change everything and anything I want about me and still remain me ergo "I" am an immaterial something: probably a number or a very long bitstring which can, like any data, be crunched..." * I like the 'probably', with a 'meaningless'

Re: KIM 1 (was: Lost and not lost 1)

2008-12-12 Thread Kim Jones
Bruno Thanks for the very useful summary and the warning that we might be zooming in on fractal infinity - no way will that happen from here on! > > The mechanist hypothesis is the hypothesis that we are machine so > that, in principle, any part of us can be replaced. There is no > special

Re: KIM 1 (was: Lost and not lost 1)

2008-12-12 Thread ronaldheld
Bruno: I am uncertain that this was answered. You are starting with mathematics, and going to some Multiversal computation program? If there is no physical universe, what does the computer run on? With no energy, how are your thoughts being generated?

KIM 1 (was: Lost and not lost 1)

2008-12-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Kim, I recall the plan, the "definition" of machine, and then I comment your last post. I do this for preventing we get lost (or not lost) in a fractal conversation, which could be nice, but which is infinite, and we have to not abuse of Wei Dai hospitality. Right? The pl