Re: NYTimes.com: Will a Chatbot Write the Next ‘Succession’?

2023-05-15 Thread John Clark
On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 1:24 PM smitra wrote: > > *GPT may struggle doing the problem in that much simpler way even if you > walk it through most of thedetails of how to do it,* Instead of theorizing about what might happen, why not interrogate GPT-4 for yourself and see? John K ClarkSee

Re: NYTimes.com: Will a Chatbot Write the Next ‘Succession’?

2023-05-15 Thread smitra
On 29-04-2023 22:39, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 4:28 PM smitra wrote: https://nyti.ms/3VlIBDo#permid=124757243 [1] You say that GPT4 doesn't understand what it is saying, but did you read my post about what happened when Scott Aaronson gave his final exam on Quantum Computers

Re: NYTimes.com: Will a Chatbot Write the Next ‘Succession’?

2023-04-29 Thread Jesse Mazer
I think extended Turing test style discussions are still the best way to define "true understanding". One could exclude all "biographical" questions and just ask about non-personal topics, including hypothetical scenarios like the Jack and Jill question or the pebbles question. If an AI can

Re: NYTimes.com: Will a Chatbot Write the Next ‘Succession’?

2023-04-29 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 8:29 PM Jesse Mazer wrote: *> The first example they give is the question 'Jack and Jill are sitting > side by side. The person next to Jack is angry. The person next to Jill is > happy. Who is happy, Jack or Jill?' Both GPT3 and GPT4 think Jill is happy.* > A few years

Re: NYTimes.com: Will a Chatbot Write the Next ‘Succession’?

2023-04-29 Thread stathisp
On Sunday, 30 April 2023 at 10:29:20 UTC+10 Jesse Mazer wrote: I think there is plenty of evidence that GPT4 lacks "understanding" in a human-like sense, some good examples of questions that trip it up in this article: https://medium.com/@shlomi.sher/on-artifice-and-intelligence-f19224281bee

Re: NYTimes.com: Will a Chatbot Write the Next ‘Succession’?

2023-04-29 Thread Jesse Mazer
I think there is plenty of evidence that GPT4 lacks "understanding" in a human-like sense, some good examples of questions that trip it up in this article: https://medium.com/@shlomi.sher/on-artifice-and-intelligence-f19224281bee The first example they give is the question 'Jack and Jill are

Re: NYTimes.com: Will a Chatbot Write the Next ‘Succession’?

2023-04-29 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 7:06 PM Jason Resch wrote: *> The extropy chat list has been extensively debating the question of GPTs > potential for understanding and consciousness the past several weeks. I'd > invite you to check it out if that subject interests anyone here.* > I can't. I had been

Re: NYTimes.com: Will a Chatbot Write the Next ‘Succession’?

2023-04-29 Thread Jason Resch
Singularity sighted, or just anomalous propagation on our radar? > > Is this not the Plastic Age? -The Buggles 1979 > > > -Original Message- > From: John Clark > To: everything-list@googlegroups.com > Sent: Sat, Apr 29, 2023 4:39 pm > Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Wil

Re: NYTimes.com: Will a Chatbot Write the Next ‘Succession’?

2023-04-29 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Sat, Apr 29, 2023 4:39 pm Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Will a Chatbot Write the Next ‘Succession’? On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 4:28 PM smitra wrote: https://nyti.ms/3VlIBDo#permid=124757243 You say that GPT4 doesn't understand what it is saying, but did you read my post about what happened when Scott A

Re: NYTimes.com: Will a Chatbot Write the Next ‘Succession’?

2023-04-29 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 4:28 PM smitra wrote: https://nyti.ms/3VlIBDo#permid=124757243 You say that GPT4 doesn't understand what it is saying, but did you read my post about what happened when Scott Aaronson gave his final exam on Quantum Computers to GPT4? The computer sure acted as if it

Re: NYTimes.com: Will a Chatbot Write the Next ‘Succession’?

2023-04-29 Thread smitra
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NYTimes.com: Will a Chatbot Write the Next ‘Succession’?

2023-04-29 Thread John Clark
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