Re: Olympia's Beautiful and Profound Mind

2005-05-16 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Dear Stephen, The Pratt quote below shows disdain for historical solutions to the mind-body problem, such as Descartes' theory that the two interact through the pineal gland, but goes on to say that this is no reason to throw out dualism altogether. Now, I have to admit, despite spending my

What do you lose if you simply accept...

2005-05-16 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Stathis, In a phrase, I would loose choice. What you are asking me is to give up any hope of understanding how my sense of being-in-the-world is related to any other phenomena in the world of experience and instead to just blindly believe some claim. Are we so frustrated that we will

Re: Tipler Weighs In

2005-05-16 Thread Hal Finney
Lee Corbin points to Tipler's March 2005 paper The Structure of the World From Pure Numbers: http://www.iop.org/EJ/abstract/0034-4885/68/4/R04 I tried to read this paper, but it was 60 pages long and extremely technical, mostly over my head. The gist of it was an updating of Tipler's Omega Point

RE: What do you lose if you simply accept...

2005-05-16 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Dear Stephen, I have to confess that the mathematical intricacies of Chu spaces are quite beyond me. However, this passage appears at the introduction to the cited article: We propose to reduce complex mind-body interaction to the elementary interactions of their constituents. Events of the

Re: Tipler Weighs In

2005-05-16 Thread Norman Samish
Hal, Thanks for an illuminating explanation of Tipler's paper. I wonder if you and/or any other members on this list have an opinion about the validity of an article at http://www.hedweb.com/nihilism/nihilfil.htm This is a discussion of WHY DOES ANYTHING EXIST? (The author is apparently a

Measure, and Time

2005-05-16 Thread Lee Corbin
Brian wrote [Peter] And if Platonia exists, it already contains every string that could be output by the UD -- so what do you need a UD for? [Lee] It'll probably be retorted that it all has to do with measure, but there are lots of machines (I mean TMs) in Platonia, and lots

Re: What do you lose if you simply accept...

2005-05-16 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Stathis, Thank you for reading the paper in its entirety. Pratt's idea is very subtle but the difference between the form of dualism that he is explaining is very different from Descartes'. Pratt is considering Mind and body as process, not substance. It is the difference between a

Re: Tipler Weighs In

2005-05-16 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Dear Stephen, Pearce spends considerable time in his thesis discussing the harm that Brave New World has done to Utopian causes. I rather suspect that Huxley would not have been disapproving, given his libertarian sympathies and fondness for hallucinogens in his later work. Orwell is completely

WHY DOES ANYTHING EXIST

2005-05-16 Thread Norman Samish
Stathis, Thanks for your identification of David Pearce - I see he was co-founder (with Nick Bostrom) of the World Transhumanist Association. I have a lot of respect for Bostrom's views. However, it's Pearce's viewpoint about WHY DOES ANYTHING EXIST that I'm interested in. This viewpoint

Wikipedia: depository for defining our concepts?

2005-05-16 Thread George Levy
Dear list members, I have found that the Wikipedia encyclopedia (composed and edited by the public) can be a great source of linked information regarding the topic of our discussion and can be used by beginners in our list to become familiar with the topics that we discuss. I suppose that if

RE: WHY DOES ANYTHING EXIST

2005-05-16 Thread Jonathan Colvin
Norman wrote: Thanks for your identification of David Pearce - I see he was co-founder (with Nick Bostrom) of the World Transhumanist Association. I have a lot of respect for Bostrom's views. However, it's Pearce's viewpoint about WHY DOES ANYTHING EXIST that I'm interested in. This

RE: What do you lose if you simply accept...

2005-05-16 Thread Jonathan Colvin
Lee corbin wrote: Pratt's disdain follows from the obvious failures of other models. It does not take a logician or mathematician or philosopher of unbelievable IQ to see that the models of monism that have been advanced have a fatal flaw: the inability to prove the necessity of

Re: WHY DOES ANYTHING EXIST

2005-05-16 Thread Norman Samish
Hi Jonathan, You say that if something and nothing are equivalent, then the big WHY question is rendered meaningless. But isn't the big WHY question equivalent to asking WHY does the integer series -100 to +100 exist? Even though the sum of the integer series is zero, that doesn't render the

Re: Tipler Weighs In

2005-05-16 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Stathis, - Original Message - From: Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; everything-list@eskimo.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:28 AM Subject: Re: Tipler Weighs In Dear Stephen, Pearce spends considerable time in his thesis discussing