Re: Reality vs. Perception of Reality

2005-07-29 Thread daddycaylor
May I offer the following quote as a potential catalyst for Bruno and Colin: If thought is laryngeal motion, how should any one think more truly than the wind blows? All movements of bodies are equally necessary, but they cannot be discriminated as true and false. It seems as nonsensical to c

Re: Reality vs. Perception of Reality

2005-07-29 Thread Brent Meeker
On 29-Jul-05, you wrote: > May I offer the following quote as a potential catalyst for Bruno and > Colin: > > If thought is laryngeal motion, how should any one think more truly > than the wind blows? All movements of bodies are equally necessary, but > they cannot be discriminated as true and

RE: What We Can Know About the World

2005-07-29 Thread Jesse Mazer
Lee Corbin wrote: Chris writes > >>Samuel Johnson did refute Berkeley. > > The main thrust of Berkley's argument is to show that sensory perception is > indirect, and therefore the existence of a material cause for those > perceptions is an unjustified inference in contravention of Occam's r

RE: What We Can Know About the World

2005-07-29 Thread Lee Corbin
Jesse writes > Lee Corbin wrote: > > > >Chris writes > > > > > >>Samuel Johnson did refute Berkeley. > > > > > > The main thrust of Berkley's argument is to show > > > that sensory perception is > > > indirect, and therefore the existence of a > > > material cause for those perceptions is an > > >

Re: Reality vs. Perception of Reality

2005-07-29 Thread Daddycaylor
Tom wrote:   >> May I offer the following quote as a potential catalyst for Bruno and >> Colin:>> >> If thought is laryngeal motion, how should any one think more truly >> than the wind blows? All movements of bodies are equally necessary, but >> they cannot be discriminated as true and fals

RE: Reality in the multiverse

2005-07-29 Thread Lee Corbin
Does everyone who is following the latest chapter of the book that Hal is evidently writing agree that there is no necessary conflict between it and more-or-less traditional realism? That is, I don't find anything too outre here; it seems to be an interesting but speculative theory about things mo

RE: What We Can Know About the World

2005-07-29 Thread Jesse Mazer
Lee Corbin wrote: Jesse writes > Lee Corbin wrote: > > > >Chris writes > > > > > >>Samuel Johnson did refute Berkeley. > > > > > > The main thrust of Berkley's argument is to show > > > that sensory perception is > > > indirect, and therefore the existence of a > > > material cause for those p

RE: What We Can Know About the World

2005-07-29 Thread Lee Corbin
Jesse writes > > I meant that your perceptions have physiological causes > > because your brain is a part of an obviously successful > > survival machine designed by evolution. > > Sure, but all of this is compatible with an idealist philosophy where > reality is made up of nothing but observer-