Re: why can't we erase information?

2006-05-01 Thread Tom Caylor
Bruno Marchal wrote: > Le 25-avr.-06, à 17:37, Tom Caylor a écrit : > > > > > In fact, "closed system" and "meta element" seem to be contradictory. > > Not necessarily. It could depend of what you mean exactly by "closed". > Closure for the diagonalization procedure is the key. Diagonalization >

Re: why can't we erase information?

2006-05-01 Thread Tom Caylor
I notice that "erasure of information" on a goto instruction occurs only for goto instructions which send the Turing machine to an instruction already executed. Thus the self-reference is a reference to the *past* self of the Turing machine, which in a sense is the only self the Turing machine kn

Re: why can't we erase information?

2006-05-01 Thread John M
Tom: one excerpt I try to address: "Closed system (Principia Cybernetica): An isolated system having no interaction with an environment. A system whose behavior is entirely explainable from within, a system without input..." (I skip the rest, including the mathematical closure as irrelevant for