Re: Evidence for the simulation argument

2007-03-19 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 01:03:04PM +1100, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: I don't mean the white rabbits from the Turing machine, I mean the ones outside it. If we accept that an abstract machine can just exist, without benefit of a separate physical reality, why not also accept that

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument

2007-03-19 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 3/19/07, Russell Standish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 01:03:04PM +1100, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: I don't mean the white rabbits from the Turing machine, I mean the ones outside it. If we accept that an abstract machine can just exist, without benefit of a

Re: Statistical Measure, does it matter?

2007-03-19 Thread John M
Jason, do you really consider YOUR (= ours, as of humans of today) capability of any 'ordering' - according to what WE find orderable - the ONLY possible 'ordering' that be? To include the word 'disorder' makes no difference. Noise? anything not fitting into what we can compute to fit into our

Re: Statistical Measure, does it matter?

2007-03-19 Thread John M
Stathis: it seems you apply some hard 'Occami\sation' to consckiousness: as I see you consider it as 'being conscious - vs. unconscious'. The physiological (mediacal?) way. In my experience from reading and intenrnet-discussing Ccness for over 15 years - most researchers consider it more than

Re: Statistical Measure, does it matter?

2007-03-19 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 3/20/07, John M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stathis: it seems you apply some hard 'Occami\sation' to consckiousness: as I see you consider it as 'being conscious - vs. unconscious'. The physiological (mediacal?) way. In my experience from reading and intenrnet-discussing Ccness for over 15