Re: R/ASSA query

2010-01-20 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2010/1/20 Brent Meeker : >> What do you think could happen if there were 100 copies of you running >> in parallel and 90 were terminated? If you think you would definitely >> continue living as one of the 10 remaining copies then to be >> consistent you have to accept QTI. If you think there is a

Re: on consciousness levels and ai

2010-01-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Jan 2010, at 03:09, silky wrote: On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 2:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Jan 2010, at 03:28, silky wrote: I don't disagree with you that it would be significantly complicated, I suppose my argument is only that, unlike with a real cat, I - the programmer - kno

Re: R/ASSA query

2010-01-20 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2010/1/20 Nick Prince : >> If the no clone theorem were a problem then you could not survive more >> than a moment, since your brain is constantly undergoing classical >> level changes. >> > How interesting!!  I had forgotten that most people believe that > consciousness is a classical rather than

Re: on consciousness levels and ai

2010-01-20 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2010/1/20 Brent Meeker : > But it also needs to be similar enough to us that we can intuit what hurts > is and what doesn't, to empathize that it may feel pain.  If my car runs out > of oil does it feel pain?  I'm sure my 1966 Saab doesn't, but what about my > 1999 Passat - it has a computer with

Re: R/ASSA query

2010-01-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Jan 2010, at 11:25, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: 2010/1/20 Nick Prince : If the no clone theorem were a problem then you could not survive more than a moment, since your brain is constantly undergoing classical level changes. How interesting!! I had forgotten that most people believe

Re: R/ASSA query

2010-01-20 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: 2010/1/20 Brent Meeker : What do you think could happen if there were 100 copies of you running in parallel and 90 were terminated? If you think you would definitely continue living as one of the 10 remaining copies then to be consistent you have to accept QTI. If

Re: on consciousness levels and ai

2010-01-20 Thread ferrari
come on silky, the answer you know yourself of course. artificial is artificial. to say you are alive, you must be able to reflect on yourself. you must be able to create and to understand without someone teaching you and most important there is nobody who turns you on or off (exept your girlfrie

Re: R/ASSA query

2010-01-20 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2010/1/21 Brent Meeker : > Not necessarily psychological.  A materialist theory also includes the idea > of information preservation in material form.  In the thought experiment > about copies, it is assumed that the information content of the those > "terminated" is lost.  But it's not clear to m