Re: Numbers in the Platonic Realm

2012-12-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 30 Nov 2012, at 21:28, meekerdb wrote: On 11/30/2012 10:02 AM, Roger Clough wrote: And a transcendent truth could be arithmetic truth or the truth of necessary logic. True in logic and formal mathematics is just marker T that is preserved by the rules of inference. This makes no

Re: Against Mechanism

2012-12-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 01 Dec 2012, at 19:40, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: It is hard for me to see if you have a genuine misunderstanding, or if you just play words. Frankly. Words are used to think with and in a world with duplicating chambers simple

Re: Nothing happens in the Universe of the Everett Interpretation

2012-12-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 30 Nov 2012, at 20:08, Jesse Mazer wrote: On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, November 30, 2012 10:32:35 AM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Richard, On 28 Nov

comp : theory vs actuality

2012-12-02 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg Good points, and I very much welcome your sharing of information and discussion on Peirce, particularly: 1) Peirce said Nothing is a sign unless it is interpreted as a sign. Fuuny you mention that, because last night I realized the same thing. This is a serious problem for

Re: Re: Reason is, and ever ought to be, the slave of passion.

2012-12-02 Thread Roger Clough
On passion vs reason, Romans 7:15 New International Version (NIV) 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/2/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the

Semantic vs logical truth

2012-12-02 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal Semantic truth I think is 1p (personal, private) truth, which mnakes it contingent, while logical truth is necessary as well as public or 3p truth. I think comnputers have problems with 1p truth because for one thing the coding is done by someone outside. [Roger Clough],

Re: Semantic vs logical truth

2012-12-02 Thread Richard Ruquist
Roger, Computers will do 1p truth when their results become emergent in which case they will be doing the coding as well so to speak. Richard On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 7:11 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Semantic truth I think is 1p (personal, private) truth, which

Re: Re: Climate change

2012-12-02 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Russell Standish Good information; it made me look up el nino and la nina and I I see that as you observe, these are fundamentally phenomena of the southern hemisphere, so can't explain the north pole warming. What is particularly notable in the vostok data is the sharp cooling slopes

Re: Semantic vs logical truth

2012-12-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 02 Dec 2012, at 13:11, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Semantic truth I think is 1p (personal, private) truth, Truth is always semantical, and it can be 3p (it usually is). Subjective truth, like with feeling, sensations, ... is 1p, but it is only a personal relative view on

Re: Re: The sad state of modern science

2012-12-02 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King Amen. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/2/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-01, 19:42:59 Subject: Re: The sad state of

Re: Climate change

2012-12-02 Thread meekerdb
On 12/2/2012 12:56 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/1/2012 11:23 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/1/2012 6:42 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/1/2012 9:18 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/1/2012 5:50 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/1/2012 7:19 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at

Re: Numbers in the Platonic Realm

2012-12-02 Thread meekerdb
On 12/2/2012 1:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Nov 2012, at 21:28, meekerdb wrote: On 11/30/2012 10:02 AM, Roger Clough wrote: And a transcendent truth could be arithmetic truth or the truth of necessary logic. True in logic and formal mathematics is just marker T that is preserved by

Re: Against Mechanism

2012-12-02 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 6:00 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Again there is nothing special about an observer in this, the same thing would happen if nobody looked at the film, or even if you used a brick wall instead of film, because the important thing is not that the photon

Re: Climate change

2012-12-02 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/2/2012 1:31 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/2/2012 12:56 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/1/2012 11:23 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/1/2012 6:42 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/1/2012 9:18 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/1/2012 5:50 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/1/2012 7:19 PM, Russell Standish

Re: Against Mechanism

2012-12-02 Thread meekerdb
On 12/2/2012 10:43 AM, John Clark wrote: Now it's usually down is some kind of detector that amplifies the effect of each electron. Neither one has anything to do with destroying the electron. You don't need to destroy the electrons you just have to arrange things so that the

Re: comp : theory vs actuality

2012-12-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, December 2, 2012 6:49:01 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Good points, and I very much welcome your sharing of information and discussion on Peirce, particularly: 1) Peirce said Nothing is a sign unless it is interpreted as a sign. Fuuny you mention that,

Re: Climate change

2012-12-02 Thread meekerdb
On 12/2/2012 10:56 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/2/2012 1:31 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/2/2012 12:56 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/1/2012 11:23 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/1/2012 6:42 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/1/2012 9:18 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/1/2012 5:50 PM, Stephen P. King

Re: Climate change

2012-12-02 Thread Russell Standish
On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 08:50:46PM -0500, Stephen P. King wrote: Scientists Peg Sea Level Rise from Polar Ice Melt at 11.1 Millimeters Since 1992. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=scientists-measure-sea-rise-from-po What is the panic about? Because of the +ve

Re: Climate change

2012-12-02 Thread smitra
Citeren meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 12/2/2012 10:56 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/2/2012 1:31 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/2/2012 12:56 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/1/2012 11:23 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/1/2012 6:42 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/1/2012 9:18 PM, meekerdb wrote:

Re: Climate change

2012-12-02 Thread meekerdb
On 12/2/2012 1:09 PM, Russell Standish wrote: Politicians, on the other hand, should be thinking very hard about what to do about all this, but unfortunately are usually only interested in the next election. And it's not entirely the politicians fault; they've learned that their constituents

Re: Re: Climate change

2012-12-02 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Dec 02, 2012 at 07:51:28AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Russell Standish Good information; it made me look up el nino and la nina and I I see that as you observe, these are fundamentally phenomena of the southern hemisphere, so can't explain the north pole warming. I'm sure

Re: Climate change

2012-12-02 Thread meekerdb
On 12/2/2012 1:12 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: Citeren meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 12/2/2012 10:56 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/2/2012 1:31 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/2/2012 12:56 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/1/2012 11:23 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/1/2012 6:42 PM, Stephen P.

Re: Semantic vs logical truth

2012-12-02 Thread meekerdb
On 12/2/2012 7:27 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The 1p truth of the machine is not coded in the machine. Some actual machines knows already that, and can justified that If there are machine (and from outside we can know this to correct) then the 1p-truth is not codable. The 1p truth are more