Re: The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness

2013-05-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 May 2013, at 02:29, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 27 May 2013, at 23:18, John Mikes wrote: Bruno: do you indeed exclude the "other" animals from being selfconcious? ? No, not at all. My current feeling (for what is worth) is that

Re: The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness

2013-05-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 May 2013, at 06:59, Kim Jones wrote: On 29/05/2013, at 2:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: You don't need language to feel the hotness of a fire. Bruno You don't need language to feel the effect of music. Good point. "Language is the greatest barrier to communication that still

Re: The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness

2013-05-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 May 2013, at 08:33, meekerdb wrote: On 5/28/2013 11:13 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 May 2013, at 19:23, meekerdb wrote: On 5/28/2013 9:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 May 2013, at 01:53, meekerdb wrote: On 5/27/2013 2:18 PM, John Mikes wrote: Bruno: do you indeed exclude the

Re: Materialism fails to account for the first person

2013-05-29 Thread John Clark
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 2:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> If you want to communicate why should I need to search at all? And if > even Google doesn't know what the hell Bp&p is then it's ridiculous to > expect your readers to know what you're talking about. > > > > Come on, John. Search for "tr

Re: The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness

2013-05-29 Thread John Mikes
Brent: after lots of back-and-forth you wrote: *"...I don't see the analogy. I don't think consciousness can be negative, or even that it can be measured by one dimension. "All-or-nothing" would be a function that is either 1 or 0. If you can be conscious of red and green, then I'd say you are m

Re: Materialism fails to account for the first person

2013-05-29 Thread Quentin Anciaux
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems#Construction_of_a_statement_about_.22provability.22 2013/5/29 John Clark > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 2:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> If you want to communicate why should I need to search at all? And if >> even Google doe

Re: Materialism fails to account for the first person

2013-05-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 May 2013, at 17:47, Quentin Anciaux wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems#Construction_of_a_statement_about_.22provability.22 2013/5/29 John Clark On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 2:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> If you want to communicate why should I ne

Re: Materialism fails to account for the first person

2013-05-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 May 2013, at 18:37, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 May 2013, at 17:47, Quentin Anciaux wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems#Construction_of_a_statement_about_.22provability.22 2013/5/29 John Clark On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 2:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wr

Re: The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness

2013-05-29 Thread meekerdb
On 5/29/2013 12:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 May 2013, at 08:33, meekerdb wrote: On 5/28/2013 11:13 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 May 2013, at 19:23, meekerdb wrote: On 5/28/2013 9:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 May 2013, at 01:53, meekerdb wrote: On 5/27/2013 2:18 PM, John Mi

Re: The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness

2013-05-29 Thread meekerdb
On 5/29/2013 8:45 AM, John Mikes wrote: Brent: after lots of back-and-forth you wrote: /*"...I don't see the analogy. I don't think consciousness can be negative, or even that it can be measured by one dimension. "All-or-nothing" would be a function that is either 1 or 0. If you can be consc

Dennet on Free will!

2013-05-29 Thread Stephen P. King
This is fun! http://youtu.be/EJsD-3jtXz0?t=24m16s It exist! -- Onward! Stephen I apologize in advance for the gross errors that this post and all of my posts will contain. ;-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsu

Re: Materialism fails to account for the first person

2013-05-29 Thread meekerdb
On 5/29/2013 9:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 May 2013, at 18:37, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 May 2013, at 17:47, Quentin Anciaux wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems#Construction_of_a_statement_about_.22provability.22 2013/5/29 John Clark mailto:jo