Re: Machine Dreaming

2006-02-23 Thread Bruno Marchal

Kim,

Le 23-févr.-06, à 12:05, Kim Jones a écrit :


Bruno,

can a Loebian machine dream?


Yes sure. This is so true that I find easier to say that loebian 
machine can *only* dream. Then "realities" (including physical 
realities) emerges, or should emerge, from some point of view of the 
machines, from some class of dreams which can be glued in some coherent 
way, and which should correspond to some "many-histories" notion. And 
those "many histories" should obey some logic which should be compared 
to the empirical logic.


Recall the key formula (Godel's second incompleteness theorem): ~Bf -> 
DBf. "If I am consistent then it is consistent that I am not 
consistent". "Bf", the provability of the false, is of the type "I am 
erroneous" or "I am dead", or "I am dreaming", etc. Any sound machine 
cannot be sure she is awake, and ultimately, "to be awake" is only a 
serendipitously matter.
Of course a description which is done at a propositional logical level 
is bound up to be somehow rough.





Does it dream the truth of Plotinus' Everything or falsity like you 
and me?



Those things are related. Naming incautiously the Everything can lead 
us, and the lobian entity, toward falsity.
I need to say more on the hypostases to proceed. In particular I should 
make clear the relation between the hypostases and the 
observer-moments. I will do a post once I got the time to do it 
properly.


Bruno


http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/




Machine Dreaming

2006-02-23 Thread Kim Jones
Bruno,can a Loebian machine dream?Does it dream the truth of Plotinus' Everything or falsity like you and me?Kim Jones OK, everything is relative - so what's the speed of dark? - Steven Wright[EMAIL PROTECTED]