Re: FIN too

2001-09-09 Thread Russell Standish
Convince me of this fact, and I would readily reject QTI. What you say would be disproof of the cul-de-sac assumption, which sadly I suspect to be true except in rather extreme circumstances like black holes. Nevertheless, if you can construct a situation using forbidden states where conscious

Re: FIN too

2001-09-08 Thread Marchal
Fred Chen wrote: Hal, Charles, I think this is an unavoidable part of the QTI or FIN debate. It seems that with QTI, you could only be entering white rabbit (magical-type) universes, not continue in probable ones. But in general I have a more fundamental objection (to quantum immortality). In

RE: FIN too

2001-09-04 Thread Charles Goodwin
September 2001 2:32 p.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FIN too From: Charles Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Um, OK, I don't want to get into an infinite argument here. I guess we both understand the other's viewpoint. (For the record: I don't see any reason to accept QTI as correct, but think

RE: FIN too

2001-09-03 Thread Charles Goodwin
as a severed head, or . . . what??? Just curious! Charles -Original Message- From: Charles Goodwin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 4 September 2001 1:42 p.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FIN too Um, OK, I don't want to get into an infinite argument here. I guess we

RE: FIN too

2001-09-03 Thread Jacques Mallah
From: Charles Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Um, OK, I don't want to get into an infinite argument here. I guess we both understand the other's viewpoint. (For the record: I don't see any reason to accept QTI as correct, but think that *if* it is, it would fit in with the available (subjective)

RE: FIN too

2001-09-03 Thread Charles Goodwin
-Original Message- From: Russell Standish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] This case bothers me too. The initial (or perhaps traditional) response is that consciousness is lost the instant blood pressure drops in the brain, a few hundred milliseconds after the neck is severed, thus the

Re: FIN too

2001-09-03 Thread Russell Standish
Charles Goodwin wrote: Another question is what happens in cases of very violent death, e.g. beheading. After someone's head is cut off, so they say, it remains conscious for a few seconds (I can't see why it wouldn't). According to QTI it experiences being decapitated but then survives

RE: FIN too

2001-09-03 Thread hal
Charles Goodwin, [EMAIL PROTECTED], writes: Another question is what happens in cases of very violent death, e.g. beheading. After someone's head is cut off, so they say, it remains conscious for a few seconds (I can't see why it wouldn't). According to QTI it experiences being decapitated

RE: FIN too

2001-09-03 Thread Jacques Mallah
From: Charles Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Jacques Mallah wrote] But there's one exception: your brain can only hold a limited amount of information. So it's possible to be too old to remember how old you are. *Only if you are that old, do you have a right to not reject FIN on these

RE: FIN too

2001-09-01 Thread Marchal
Jacques Mallah wrote: It's nice that you reject FIN! Of course, those who support it can give (and have given) no reason ... Surely this is an exageration. I recall that I am still waiting for you showing a flaw in the UDA (the Joel version). But here you betraye yourself: ... since

RE: FIN too

2001-08-31 Thread Jacques Mallah
From: Charles Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] you can't apply any sort of statistical argument to your own experience unless you assume that you're a typical observer. But if you do that you're just assuming the result you want. Not so. You don't assume you're typical exactly, just that you are

RE: FIN too

2001-08-30 Thread Jacques Mallah
From: Charles Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I have just joined this list after seeing it mentioned on the Fabric of Reality list Hi. BTW, what's up on the FOR list? Ever see anything interesting there? I thought the book sucked except for chapter 2 (I think; the one explaining the