On Thursday, September 20, 2012 7:55:10 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote:
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> Hi Craig Weinberg
>
> You can see from all of the flack I get here
> that being a believer, since you believe in something
> seemingly to be nonsense (especially to the scientific
> mind), those that think rightly have the obligation
> to try to save you from this insanity. No surprises
> there. It certainly sounds nutty.
>
I don't feel like I'm giving anyone flack for being a believer, I am just
trying to figure out what you are seeing in it that I don't.
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> Without trying to compare myself with Jesus
> or the jews, or to make myself seem better than anybody,
> this is to be expected. That's called persecution,
> or sacrifice. It greatly pleases God.
>
He sounds like a warden or mafia boss.
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> In return you will receive the gifts of the spirit,
> among which are faith, hope and love.
>
> Faith, hope and love all must come from God.
>
What if I just want him to stop torturing everyone?
Craig
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>
> Roger Clough, rcl...@verizon.net
> 9/20/2012
> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
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> From: Craig Weinberg
> Receiver: everything-list
> Time: 2012-09-19, 22:09:32
> Subject: Re: the "nothing but" fallacy.
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> On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 7:48:33 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
> On 9/19/2012 4:34 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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> On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 6:54:25 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
> On 9/19/2012 3:12 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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> On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 5:20:00 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
> On 9/19/2012 2:11 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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> On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 5:27:13 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote:
> Hi Richard Ruquist
>
> Obeying the commandments will not get you into heaven,
> only believing in Christ's sacrifice for us will do that.
>
>
> What kind of a sacrifice is that? "I'm going to do you the biggest favor
> you can imagine, but if you don't believe in it, then my favor is worthless
> and makes anything good that you have ever done in your life a complete
> waste of time".
>
> If I were Satan, I would write the Bible exactly as it is, full of
> horrific promises and threats that can be interpreted in many ways. It's
> pretty much like dropping candy colored hand grenades onto a school
> playground. The grenades would say "if anyone tries to take this away from
> you, then they deserve whatever happens to them".
>
>
> But I'm curious; as a member of the EVERYTHING-list, don't you believe
> that there's a world where the Bible is essentially accurate (modulo direct
> contradictions)?
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> I don't know about accurate, but there are certainly phenomenological
> states where the Bible can seem powerfully important, i.e.
> super-significant - for good or evil.
>
>
> But those are phenomenological states in this world, and apparently you
> think the qualifier "seem" means "false" in this world. I'm asking about
> all those infinitely many other worlds?
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> The phenomenological states and the sense that they make of each other are
> the only worlds that there are. Seeming is not false, rather truth is
> nothing but mutually overlapping seeming among more and more worlds.
>
> Seeming to whom?...more and more Craigs?
>
>
> In this case, there seems to me to be much more overlapping seeming
> outside of the Bible than inside of it.
>
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> So is this a purely personal seeming to you? Polls show it's a minority
> seeming in the U.S.
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> Yes. It seems to me personally that the Bible refers primarily to
> figurative phenomenological experiences rather than literal public realism.
>
> Craig
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> Brent
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