On Thursday, September 20, 2012 7:55:10 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
You can see from all of the flack I get here
that being a believer, since you believe in something
seemingly to be nonsense (especially to the scientific
mind), those that think rightly have the obligation
to try to save you from this insanity. No surprises
there. It certainly sounds nutty.
I don't feel like I'm giving anyone flack for being a believer, I am just
trying to figure out what you are seeing in it that I don't.
Without trying to compare myself with Jesus
or the jews, or to make myself seem better than anybody,
this is to be expected. That's called persecution,
or sacrifice. It greatly pleases God.
He sounds like a warden or mafia boss.
In return you will receive the gifts of the spirit,
among which are faith, hope and love.
Faith, hope and love all must come from God.
What if I just want him to stop torturing everyone?
Craig
Roger Clough, rcl...@verizon.net javascript:
9/20/2012
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From: Craig Weinberg
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Time: 2012-09-19, 22:09:32
Subject: Re: the nothing but fallacy.
On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 7:48:33 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 9/19/2012 4:34 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 6:54:25 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 9/19/2012 3:12 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 5:20:00 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 9/19/2012 2:11 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 5:27:13 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote:
Hi Richard Ruquist
Obeying the commandments will not get you into heaven,
only believing in Christ's sacrifice for us will do that.
What kind of a sacrifice is that? I'm going to do you the biggest favor
you can imagine, but if you don't believe in it, then my favor is worthless
and makes anything good that you have ever done in your life a complete
waste of time.
If I were Satan, I would write the Bible exactly as it is, full of
horrific promises and threats that can be interpreted in many ways. It's
pretty much like dropping candy colored hand grenades onto a school
playground. The grenades would say if anyone tries to take this away from
you, then they deserve whatever happens to them.
But I'm curious; as a member of the EVERYTHING-list, don't you believe
that there's a world where the Bible is essentially accurate (modulo direct
contradictions)?
I don't know about accurate, but there are certainly phenomenological
states where the Bible can seem powerfully important, i.e.
super-significant - for good or evil.
But those are phenomenological states in this world, and apparently you
think the qualifier seem means false in this world. I'm asking about
all those infinitely many other worlds?
The phenomenological states and the sense that they make of each other are
the only worlds that there are. Seeming is not false, rather truth is
nothing but mutually overlapping seeming among more and more worlds.
Seeming to whom?...more and more Craigs?
In this case, there seems to me to be much more overlapping seeming
outside of the Bible than inside of it.
So is this a purely personal seeming to you? Polls show it's a minority
seeming in the U.S.
Yes. It seems to me personally that the Bible refers primarily to
figurative phenomenological experiences rather than literal public realism.
Craig
Brent
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