On Thursday, September 20, 2012 7:55:10 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote:
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> Hi Craig Weinberg   
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> You can see from all of the flack I get here 
> that being a believer, since you believe in something 
> seemingly to be nonsense (especially to the scientific 
> mind), those that think rightly have the obligation 
> to try to save you from this insanity. No surprises 
> there. It certainly sounds nutty. 
>

I don't feel like I'm giving anyone flack for being a believer, I am just 
trying to figure out what you are seeing in it that I don't.
 

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> Without trying to compare myself with Jesus 
> or the jews, or to make myself seem better than anybody, 
> this is to be expected. That's called persecution, 
> or sacrifice. It greatly pleases God. 
>

He sounds like a warden or mafia boss.
 

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> In return you will receive the gifts of the spirit, 
> among which are faith, hope and love. 
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> Faith, hope and love all must come from God. 
>

What if I just want him to stop torturing everyone?

Craig
 

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> Roger Clough, rcl...@verizon.net <javascript:> 
> 9/20/2012   
> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen 
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> Time: 2012-09-19, 22:09:32 
> Subject: Re: the "nothing but" fallacy. 
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> On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 7:48:33 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: 
> On 9/19/2012 4:34 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:   
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> On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 6:54:25 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:   
> On 9/19/2012 3:12 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:   
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> On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 5:20:00 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:   
> On 9/19/2012 2:11 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:   
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> On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 5:27:13 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote:   
> Hi Richard Ruquist     
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> Obeying the commandments will not get you into heaven,   
> only believing in Christ's sacrifice for us will do that.     
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>
> What kind of a sacrifice is that? "I'm going to do you the biggest favor 
> you can imagine, but if you don't believe in it, then my favor is worthless 
> and makes anything good that you have ever done in your life a complete 
> waste of time". 
>
> If I were Satan, I would write the Bible exactly as it is, full of 
> horrific promises and threats that can be interpreted in many ways. It's 
> pretty much like dropping candy colored hand grenades onto a school 
> playground. The grenades would say "if anyone tries to take this away from 
> you, then they deserve whatever happens to them". 
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>
> But I'm curious; as a member of the EVERYTHING-list, don't you believe 
> that there's a world where the Bible is essentially accurate (modulo direct 
> contradictions)? 
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> I don't know about accurate, but there are certainly phenomenological 
> states where the Bible can seem powerfully important, i.e. 
> super-significant - for good or evil. 
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> But those are phenomenological states in this world, and apparently you 
> think the qualifier "seem" means "false" in this world.  I'm asking about 
> all those infinitely many other worlds? 
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> The phenomenological states and the sense that they make of each other are 
> the only worlds that there are. Seeming is not false, rather truth is 
> nothing but mutually overlapping seeming among more and more worlds.   
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> Seeming to whom?...more and more Craigs? 
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> In this case, there seems to me to be much more overlapping seeming 
> outside of the Bible than inside of it. 
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> So is this a purely personal seeming to you?  Polls show it's a minority 
> seeming in the U.S. 
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> Yes. It seems to me personally that the Bible refers primarily to 
> figurative phenomenological experiences rather than literal public realism. 
>
> Craig 
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> Brent 
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