On Thursday, September 20, 2012 7:55:10 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: > > Hi Craig Weinberg > > You can see from all of the flack I get here > that being a believer, since you believe in something > seemingly to be nonsense (especially to the scientific > mind), those that think rightly have the obligation > to try to save you from this insanity. No surprises > there. It certainly sounds nutty. >
I don't feel like I'm giving anyone flack for being a believer, I am just trying to figure out what you are seeing in it that I don't. > > Without trying to compare myself with Jesus > or the jews, or to make myself seem better than anybody, > this is to be expected. That's called persecution, > or sacrifice. It greatly pleases God. > He sounds like a warden or mafia boss. > > In return you will receive the gifts of the spirit, > among which are faith, hope and love. > > Faith, hope and love all must come from God. > What if I just want him to stop torturing everyone? Craig > > > Roger Clough, [email protected] <javascript:> > 9/20/2012 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen > > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: Craig Weinberg > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2012-09-19, 22:09:32 > Subject: Re: the "nothing but" fallacy. > > > > > On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 7:48:33 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > On 9/19/2012 4:34 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 6:54:25 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > On 9/19/2012 3:12 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 5:20:00 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > On 9/19/2012 2:11 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 5:27:13 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: > Hi Richard Ruquist > > Obeying the commandments will not get you into heaven, > only believing in Christ's sacrifice for us will do that. > > > What kind of a sacrifice is that? "I'm going to do you the biggest favor > you can imagine, but if you don't believe in it, then my favor is worthless > and makes anything good that you have ever done in your life a complete > waste of time". > > If I were Satan, I would write the Bible exactly as it is, full of > horrific promises and threats that can be interpreted in many ways. It's > pretty much like dropping candy colored hand grenades onto a school > playground. The grenades would say "if anyone tries to take this away from > you, then they deserve whatever happens to them". > > > But I'm curious; as a member of the EVERYTHING-list, don't you believe > that there's a world where the Bible is essentially accurate (modulo direct > contradictions)? > > > I don't know about accurate, but there are certainly phenomenological > states where the Bible can seem powerfully important, i.e. > super-significant - for good or evil. > > > But those are phenomenological states in this world, and apparently you > think the qualifier "seem" means "false" in this world. I'm asking about > all those infinitely many other worlds? > > > The phenomenological states and the sense that they make of each other are > the only worlds that there are. Seeming is not false, rather truth is > nothing but mutually overlapping seeming among more and more worlds. > > Seeming to whom?...more and more Craigs? > > > In this case, there seems to me to be much more overlapping seeming > outside of the Bible than inside of it. > > > So is this a purely personal seeming to you? Polls show it's a minority > seeming in the U.S. > > > Yes. It seems to me personally that the Bible refers primarily to > figurative phenomenological experiences rather than literal public realism. > > Craig > > > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/byijBItDcHYJ. > To post to this group, send email to > [email protected]<javascript:>. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] <javascript:>. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/1XrUESyyw6YJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
