Re: Putting it all together
Looks like a heirarchical Many World h-MW model to me. I conjecture that Wheeler's ItBit empirical quantum model is consistent with the h-MW model via ER=EPR tunneling. Richard On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: https://24.media.tumblr.com/6b06d8de192011e7a0e1179d34958785/tumblr_myu2nxlpcz1qeenqko1_500.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Putting it all together
It's not many worlds, it's a Uni_ that is _versing itself. On Friday, January 3, 2014 2:06:26 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: Looks like a heirarchical Many World h-MW model to me. I conjecture that Wheeler's ItBit empirical quantum model is consistent with the h-MW model via ER=EPR tunneling. Richard On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: https://24.media.tumblr.com/6b06d8de192011e7a0e1179d34958785/tumblr_myu2nxlpcz1qeenqko1_500.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Putting it all together
It's not many worlds, it's a Uni_ that is _versing itself. UNIty in diVERSity-scerir BTW, did somebody read this paper? It seems interesting.http://arxiv.org/abs/.3328 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Putting it all together
On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 2:50 PM, scerir sce...@libero.it wrote: It's not many worlds, it's a Uni_ that is _versing itself. UNIty in diVERSity -scerir BTW, did somebody read this paper? It seems interesting. http://arxiv.org/abs/.3328 Pusey, Barrett and Rudolf PBR pose the hypothetical experiment where the observers ask different questions and get results that differ from quantum mechanics. They had the launch observers asking different questions whereas I suggested that the detection observers ask different questions. Their results are encouraging to advocates of MWI. Richard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Putting it all together
On 4 January 2014 09:01, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 2:50 PM, scerir sce...@libero.it wrote: It's not many worlds, it's a Uni_ that is _versing itself. UNIty in diVERSity -scerir BTW, did somebody read this paper? It seems interesting. http://arxiv.org/abs/.3328 Pusey, Barrett and Rudolf PBR pose the hypothetical experiment where the observers ask different questions and get results that differ from quantum mechanics. They had the launch observers asking different questions whereas I suggested that the detection observers ask different questions. Their results are encouraging to advocates of MWI. In what way? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Putting it all together
On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 3:27 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 January 2014 09:01, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 2:50 PM, scerir sce...@libero.it wrote: It's not many worlds, it's a Uni_ that is _versing itself. UNIty in diVERSity -scerir BTW, did somebody read this paper? It seems interesting. http://arxiv.org/abs/.3328 Pusey, Barrett and Rudolf PBR pose the hypothetical experiment where the observers ask different questions and get results that differ from quantum mechanics. They had the launch observers asking different questions whereas I suggested that the detection observers ask different questions. Their results are encouraging to advocates of MWI. In what way? Liz, I presume you mean how they prepared the states, which is equivalent to an observer asking a question. Two systems are created independently and exist is |0 |+ and |+ and |0 respectively. They are brought together and measured obtaining 4 possible states, one of which will for significant time measure zero which is a contradiction of quantum mechanics but possibly just what you would expect for an MWI multiverse. Richard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Putting it all together
Hmm. Intriguing. The thing is, everyone tells me an interpretation can't affect QM itself .oh, I'm going to have to read the darn paper, aren't I?! (Whether it will make a scintilla of sense to my brain (at least in some branches of the multiverse) is another question, of course...) On 4 January 2014 10:12, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 3:27 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 January 2014 09:01, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 2:50 PM, scerir sce...@libero.it wrote: It's not many worlds, it's a Uni_ that is _versing itself. UNIty in diVERSity -scerir BTW, did somebody read this paper? It seems interesting. http://arxiv.org/abs/.3328 Pusey, Barrett and Rudolf PBR pose the hypothetical experiment where the observers ask different questions and get results that differ from quantum mechanics. They had the launch observers asking different questions whereas I suggested that the detection observers ask different questions. Their results are encouraging to advocates of MWI. In what way? Liz, I presume you mean how they prepared the states, which is equivalent to an observer asking a question. Two systems are created independently and exist is |0 |+ and |+ and |0 respectively. They are brought together and measured obtaining 4 possible states, one of which will for significant time measure zero which is a contradiction of quantum mechanics but possibly just what you would expect for an MWI multiverse. Richard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Putting it all together
Well the abstract's nice and clear, at least - they attempt to show that quantum states are not merely information structures relating to some (unknown) underlynig reality. Presumably that indicates that they *are* the reality.I will read on. On 4 January 2014 11:22, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm. Intriguing. The thing is, everyone tells me an interpretation can't affect QM itself .oh, I'm going to have to read the darn paper, aren't I?! (Whether it will make a scintilla of sense to my brain (at least in some branches of the multiverse) is another question, of course...) On 4 January 2014 10:12, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 3:27 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 January 2014 09:01, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 2:50 PM, scerir sce...@libero.it wrote: It's not many worlds, it's a Uni_ that is _versing itself. UNIty in diVERSity -scerir BTW, did somebody read this paper? It seems interesting. http://arxiv.org/abs/.3328 Pusey, Barrett and Rudolf PBR pose the hypothetical experiment where the observers ask different questions and get results that differ from quantum mechanics. They had the launch observers asking different questions whereas I suggested that the detection observers ask different questions. Their results are encouraging to advocates of MWI. In what way? Liz, I presume you mean how they prepared the states, which is equivalent to an observer asking a question. Two systems are created independently and exist is |0 |+ and |+ and |0 respectively. They are brought together and measured obtaining 4 possible states, one of which will for significant time measure zero which is a contradiction of quantum mechanics but possibly just what you would expect for an MWI multiverse. Richard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
