Re: Re: How can words be transformed into numbers ?
Hi Bruno Marchal OK, so it's not numbers alone (pure numbers), something else is required. At the very minimum that something else must be intelligence, the ability to essentially freely make choices of one's own. Nothing can be done without intelligence. But if you can do that, what's special about numbers ? Geometry, such as created network, would make more sense. Or natural language. or arithmetic functions. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/10/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-09, 14:26:09 Subject: Re: How can words be transformed into numbers ? On 09 Nov 2012, at 13:41, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal So how would I see a cat. be transformed into numbers ? Maybe 63 7 89 ? I am afraid that will not be enough. I see a cat, to get put in number, with the 1-I and 3-I of you, you will need to scan your brain at the correct comp subst level (which exist by comp assumption), and this when you are looking at a cat. Then the real 1-I is not in that number, but in all the computation going through the state described by that number relatively to our most probable environment. The number can be used to reimplement you in some computer, and then you will be able to manifest your seeing a cat to us. I could do that if I indexed all of the words in Roget's thesaurus, but I don't think the numbers would mean anything besides numbers. Because the meanings of words come from context -- not only in where they are placed in a text but how they arose from culture. Language is culture. You are right. And in mandarin, three characters placed together might not have anything to do with literal meaning. For example, the characters for I touch flowers in vase can mean Final touch No problem with this. Bruno Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/9/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-08, 10:36:49 Subject: Re: Peirce's concept of logical abduction-- a possible moneymaker Hi Roger Clough , On 08 Nov 2012, at 11:03, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal My principal interest over the years has been to come up with some self-sustaining self-generating method of autopoeisis. That's why I found the I Ching fascinating. It contains sensible links between binary numbers and metaphors. When I look up methods of data mining, all they give is hierarchy diagrams and numbers. How do they link numbers and metaphors or words in general ? Perhaps there is some sort of bayesian scheme to do that. Roget's thesaurus might also be a starting point, since they have words of similar meanings clustered, but where you go from that beats me. You should perhaps study how works a computer (or a universal number). They transforms numbers into words and actions all the time, and this in a non metaphorical way. And they can do much more, like referring to themselves in the 3p but also in the 1p and other senses. There is no more magic than in computer science, imo. Bruno Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/8/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-07, 12:57:14 Subject: Re: Peirce's concept of logical abduction-- a possible moneymaker On 07 Nov 2012, at 18:12, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Cool. Shows you how little I know. Those things are virtually unknown by most. Computer science is very technical, and the number of publications is explosive, almost an industry. It is also a gold mine, alas, most philosophy curriculum does not have good courses in the field. We separate the human and the exact sciences, which does not help. In science we still kill the diplomats, and this means that science is still run by unconscious (pseudo)-religion, if not simply the boss is right theory. Of course the degree of graveness is very variable in time and places. Bruno Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/7/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-07, 12:05:11 Subject: Re: Peirce's concept of logical abduction-- a possible moneymaker Hi Roger Clough, Hi Bruno Marchal Yes, by new I mean contingent. But Kant, although his examples are debatable, at least sought a synthetic a priori, which of course would be a gold mine, or perhaps a stairway to the divine. Pragmatism rejects the idea of there being
Re: Re: How can words be transformed into numbers ?
Hi Bruno Marchal The Devil is in the details, and why bother with numbers when you could use words ? Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/10/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-09, 14:26:09 Subject: Re: How can words be transformed into numbers ? On 09 Nov 2012, at 13:41, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal So how would I see a cat. be transformed into numbers ? Maybe 63 7 89 ? I am afraid that will not be enough. I see a cat, to get put in number, with the 1-I and 3-I of you, you will need to scan your brain at the correct comp subst level (which exist by comp assumption), and this when you are looking at a cat. Then the real 1-I is not in that number, but in all the computation going through the state described by that number relatively to our most probable environment. The number can be used to reimplement you in some computer, and then you will be able to manifest your seeing a cat to us. I could do that if I indexed all of the words in Roget's thesaurus, but I don't think the numbers would mean anything besides numbers. Because the meanings of words come from context -- not only in where they are placed in a text but how they arose from culture. Language is culture. You are right. And in mandarin, three characters placed together might not have anything to do with literal meaning. For example, the characters for I touch flowers in vase can mean Final touch No problem with this. Bruno Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/9/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-08, 10:36:49 Subject: Re: Peirce's concept of logical abduction-- a possible moneymaker Hi Roger Clough , On 08 Nov 2012, at 11:03, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal My principal interest over the years has been to come up with some self-sustaining self-generating method of autopoeisis. That's why I found the I Ching fascinating. It contains sensible links between binary numbers and metaphors. When I look up methods of data mining, all they give is hierarchy diagrams and numbers. How do they link numbers and metaphors or words in general ? Perhaps there is some sort of bayesian scheme to do that. Roget's thesaurus might also be a starting point, since they have words of similar meanings clustered, but where you go from that beats me. You should perhaps study how works a computer (or a universal number). They transforms numbers into words and actions all the time, and this in a non metaphorical way. And they can do much more, like referring to themselves in the 3p but also in the 1p and other senses. There is no more magic than in computer science, imo. Bruno Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/8/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-07, 12:57:14 Subject: Re: Peirce's concept of logical abduction-- a possible moneymaker On 07 Nov 2012, at 18:12, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Cool. Shows you how little I know. Those things are virtually unknown by most. Computer science is very technical, and the number of publications is explosive, almost an industry. It is also a gold mine, alas, most philosophy curriculum does not have good courses in the field. We separate the human and the exact sciences, which does not help. In science we still kill the diplomats, and this means that science is still run by unconscious (pseudo)-religion, if not simply the boss is right theory. Of course the degree of graveness is very variable in time and places. Bruno Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/7/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-07, 12:05:11 Subject: Re: Peirce's concept of logical abduction-- a possible moneymaker Hi Roger Clough, Hi Bruno Marchal Yes, by new I mean contingent. But Kant, although his examples are debatable, at least sought a synthetic a priori, which of course would be a gold mine, or perhaps a stairway to the divine. Pragmatism rejects the idea of there being any such universals, but I think by abduction strives to obtain completly new results (if actually new I can't say). I think that's why Peirce came up with the concept of abduction. The concept is very seductive to me for its possible power of discovery of something unknown or new. If comp could do
