On Thursday, November 15, 2012 9:42:25 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
Everything has at least some intelligence or consciousness, according to
Leibniz's metaphysics,
even rocks. But these bare naked monads are essentially in deep,
drugged sleep and darkness,
or at best drunk. Leibniz called such a state the unconscious way before
Freud and Jung.
I believe that there is an experience on the micro-level of what the coffee
filter is made of - molecules held together as fibers maybe, bit I don't
think that it knows or cares about filtering. It's like if you write the
letters A and B on a piece of paper - I think there is an experience there
on the molecular level, of adhesion, evaporation, maybe other interesting
things we will never know, but I don't think that the letter A knows that
there is a letter B there. Do you? I don't think the letters have a
consciousness because they aren't actually beings, the patterns which they
embody to us are in our experience, not independent beings.
Craig
[Roger Clough], [rcl...@verizon.net] javascript:
11/15/2012
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Doesn't mean that a coffee filter is intelligent too? If so, is a series
of coffee filters more intelligent than one? What about one with a hole in
it?
Craig
On Sunday, November 11, 2012 8:14:05 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi
I was wrong.
According to my own definition of intelligence-- that it is the
ability of an entity, having at least some measure of free will,
to make choices on its own (without outside help)-- a
computer can have intelligence, and intelligence in no small measure.
The ability to sort is an example. To give a simple example, a
computer can sort information, just as Maxwell's Demon could,
into two bins. Instead of temperature, it could just be a number.
Numbers larger than A go into one bin, smaller than A go
into another bin. It does it all on its own, using an if statement.
Roger Clough, rcl...@verizon.net
11/11/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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